Cruz Drops Out

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ajax18 wrote:
You didn't think he was going to win. You thought he was the "Herman Caine moment" in the Republican party. I've heard Glenn Beck say Trump isn't a conservative every morning and I'm tired of it. Trump is certainly more conservative than Hillary. The fact that he is so hated by the left should be proof enough that he's serious about what he says on stopping illegal immigration and renegotiating some of our worst trade deals.


He's hated by the right, too. His favorability ratings among self-described "strong" or "very" conservatives are terrible. What does that prove?

So is it Trump's support of universal health care or his desire to build a giant wall on the Mexican border that makes Trump an economic conservative? Or is it his plan to eliminate 19 trillion dollars in debt over 8 years while not cutting Medicare/Medicaid, social security, or defense spending, but cutting taxes through the power of - um - magic that makes him an economic conservative?

Trump's support of protectionism and dismantling our free trade agreements is a leftwing position. It is 1) not conservative economic philosophy and 2) a position common among Democrats and uncommon among Republicans. That you cite it as proof he's going to stick it to liberals is pretty awesome.

Trump has run a campaign on racial and religious scapegoating, and this has you all in a tizzy because you love that sort of thing. Because conservative for you is a word meaning "what I like" rather than a coherent ideological label, you end up declaring Trump the bane of liberals and cite his liberal positions as proof. You don't appear to understand why he's so disliked.
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I've heard Glenn Beck say Trump isn't a conservative every morning


Jesus H. Christ.

Glenn Beck every morning?

I can't imagine listening to any kind of media every week, let alone every morning by the same person. That explains much.
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A friend of mine posted the following yesterday, that made me chuckle:

"It looks like the GOP can't stop Trump any better than they can do anything else."

Also, I don't know if Ted Cruz people own tedcruz.com, but if they do, they seem to have some (somewhat humorous) sour grapes.
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Hillary will win because the Republicans are running a strictly negative campaign. That never wins. The Republican slogan during the primaries was "Anybody but Trump". That failed and Trump won. Now they are getting behind Trump and their new slogan is "Anybody but Hillary". Their entire strategy is preventing the person they don't want from getting elected by tossing anyone out there. I don't like Trump as a presidential candidate, he's an entertaining guy but not President material, but give him credit for energizing Republican voters. If the party got behind him and they had a clear message for why he should be President other than to block Hillary, they might have a shot. But telling voters vote for us because you don't want the other party in power is never successful. Right now the electoral map favors Clinton. Trump needs to pick up states that haven't voted Republican for decades. He is not going to convince Democrat states to vote for him by saying "Anyone but Hillary".
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DarkHelmet wrote:Hillary will win because the Republicans are running a strictly negative campaign. That never wins.

Nice rose-colored glasses - You might want to inform the overwhelming majority of state legislators, congressional representatives, senators, mayors, governors, etc..

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Negative campaigning is campaigning....even Hillary knows this (she has wisely not been negative towards Sanders - but against Republicans? Trump?)

The Clinton argument against Trump is that he isn’t prepared to be president. He lacks the temperament to be president. Trump is too divisive to be president, and electing Donald J. Trump would be a risk that America can’t afford to take.

from April of last year - " Of all the campaign ads on television so far, 96% have been negative.
That's right -- just 4% have been about promoting a positive message for the future. The rest have been about tarring the other side. "


http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/15/media/n ... index.html

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/03/lets_al ... _and_true/
“Rope-a-dope isn’t Clinton’s style,” Beinart writes. “When facing political threats, her pattern has been to strike first—and with great force.”


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html
Hillary Clinton says she was not talking about her husband, former President Bill Clinton, when she said she has 'a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation.'

Well, this sounds positive - uplifting almost
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Trump's great power is in his ability to insult and demagogue. Hilary knows she can't out Trump Trump. So if she's as smart as I think she is she won't try to.
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I think DH's point is that Trump is nothing but negative campaigning. Hillary, whether you disagree or agree, can actually outline a plan to do things and she knows the system like the back of her hand. Trump on the other hand can't even begin to explain the math behind some of his idiotic promises. He just tells us he knows smart people who can figure it out and that we should trust him because he's not a politician. In the meantime he'll be focusing all of his attention to attacking Clinton.
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Kasich just dropped out of race.
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Themis wrote:
Unfortunately for you many republicans may realize Trump is the worse of the two.

The voter turnout and ballot counts completely prove your conclusion wrong....but you typed it anyway....impressive.
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As someone observed, the good news is that Cruz will have a lot more time to choose his cabinet members.

After the election of 2012, Bobby Jindal famously announced that the GOP "must stop being the stupid party".

Bobby Jindal now supports Trump.

'nuff said.
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