Wager for Trump Supporters

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_cinepro
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Re: Wager for Trump Supporters

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EAllusion wrote:He promised 5 or 6% in the last national debate:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-trump ... 14349.html

Then later, decided to indicate that it should be able to hit 8% like India:

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/OVdSUi ... uppor.html

That's more of an implied promise than an explicit one, so we can back off to 6%. That still would be insane.

Here's Trump promising all your dreams:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ambitious/


One thing I've noticed over the past few days is that both Trump critics and supporters have terrible memories and reading comprehension. Almost anytime I've seen someone paraphrase something he supposedly said, when I find the actual source they're almost always wrong.

For example, a Trump supporter in my Facebook feed said took exception to the claim that Trump wanted to ban Muslim immigration, saying "he just proposed ban on entries into the country from countries currently heavily influenced or controlled by ISIS and other terrorist organizations." Well, this totally isn't true...

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-rele ... mmigration


Regarding his claims on the future of the GDP, you've misrepresented his statements as "a promise." He isn't promising anything. His policies target 4%, and he looks at other countries like China and India that claim 6-8% and asks "Why can't we do that?" He's saying "I think we can do that." That's not a promise, it's a question. It's a hypothetical.

A promise would be "Elect me, and we will have 6% GDP growth!"

There will be enough promises broken in the coming months and years that you don't need to make anything up.
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Here are 2 more 2020 questions:

How many fewer illegal immigrants are there due to the physical construction of the border wall?

How much money will Mexico have paid us for the wall?
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Re: Wager for Trump Supporters

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cinepro wrote:.


Cinepro, he was questioned on his 4% GDP, and he responded by saying he thinks we'll get to 5-6% GDP. You'd have to be almost obtusely literal about the word "promise" to not understand that this is a campaign promise. The 8% comment was a "why not" bit of craziness that can be downgraded from promise to something like a promise of promise, but the context of his comment on 5-6% was him indicating that this is a reasonable projection should he be elected.
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"he just proposed ban on entries into the country from countries currently heavily influenced or controlled by ISIS and other terrorist organizations." Well, this totally isn't true...


Didn't the Trump campaign modify his anti Muslim immigration stance to this at some point? He speaks in rough politically incorrect terms at times. He doesn't hate people for being Muslim or Hispanic the way many try to paint him. He simply puts Americans first.

How many fewer illegal immigrants are there due to the physical construction of the border wall?


A lot fewer than if Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush were in office now.

How much money will Mexico have paid us for the wall?


I think he's going to reconsider a lot of foreign aid money that is doled out each year.
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Foreign aid to Mexico isn't magnanimous. It's meant to influence the policies of nations we give it to. It is the diplomatic equivalent of bribe money. Turning it off doesn't automatically help the US. It quite possibly hurts US interests depending on the policy aims of the aide.

A lot fewer than if Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush were in office now.


You have zero evidence of this.

Didn't the Trump campaign modify his anti Muslim immigration stance to this at some point? He speaks in rough politically incorrect terms at times. He doesn't hate people for being Muslim or Hispanic the way many try to paint him. He simply puts Americans first.

Muslims and Hispanics are Americans. Religious freedom is a core American value. A religious test on immigration could not be more fundamentally un-American.
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Religious freedom is a core American value. A religious test on immigration could not be more fundamentally un-American.


I don't think religious beliefs that say Allah commands us to kill people who don't convert Islam should be protected under religious freedom.
“There were mothers who took this [Rodney King LA riots] as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes ... They are not crooks.”

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Core tenant of all Christianity is to kill all the nonbelievers, and ex-believers.
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The CCC wrote:Core tenant of all Christianity is to kill all the nonbelievers, and ex-believers.


Which sect of Christianity currently preaches and does this? Are you referring to Mormonism's blood atonement? Do you believe in that?
“There were mothers who took this [Rodney King LA riots] as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes ... They are not crooks.”

This liberal would be about socializing … uh, umm. … Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.
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The CCC wrote:Core tenant of all Christianity is to kill all the nonbelievers, and ex-believers.


the hell it is
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huckelberry wrote:
The CCC wrote:Core tenant of all Christianity is to kill all the nonbelievers, and ex-believers.


the hell it is

CCC is a devout Mormon. This is a sarcastic mocking of Ajax's false implication that being Muslim means having a desire to kill people who don't convert to Islam.
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