The Triumph of Trumpcare: 24 m to lose coverage

[_EAllusion]

Hopefully you get cancer, lose your insurance, and die a painful, needless death. One can hope, anyway.

I would expect as much from someone like yourself.

One thing for sure if I get cancer, neither you nor any other bleeding heart liberal would pay a dime to help me. The only way in which you give two bits about the poor is inasmuch as you can be generous with other peoples earnings. The poor is just the means through which you achieve the power and control over other people that you crave.

I oppose government involvement in the delivery of health care to a degree that only a small minority of people agree with me. I prefer to knock government out of the equation and deal with poverty through general social safety net programs that happen to incidentally fund health-care decisions. But I manage to do it while not making the most straightforwardly ignorant and depraved comments possible.

I think it would be quite appropriate for you to acquire an illness that bankrupts you and leaves you for dead. But only if people comment at your funeral about how you were a lazy moocher who didn't see the value in working for a living which is why you died destitute. Nothing can be more fitting, except perhaps your dying moments involving getting CPR from a black person.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

... waiting to get a full time job before we start having kids.

Would you be in favor of getting a government license to have kids? Basically, you'd have to prove you (third party you) aren't retarded, employed, and able to provide a stable home to offspring?

If not, how do you get people on board?

If so, how is this not government overreach?

And, just to be fair, I'll give you my opinion on the matter:

Yes. I think you should get licensed to have children since we pretty much have to have a license to do anything else. I also think if you're going on welfare you should be on birth control or sterilized. This is where I, admittedly, drift from Liberalism and find myself in some sort of weird fascist or hard socialist grey area. This stems from my ideology that pragmatism should outweigh the feelz.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Oh no, no more Medicaid! Maybe we'll have to try working for a living or waiting to get a full time job before we start having kids.

Or maybe you're disabled and old, and can't work.

Your stereotyping doesn't help, well, anything.

[_Brackite]

Oh no, no more Medicaid! Maybe we'll have to try working for a living or waiting to get a full time job before we start having kids.

But Trump has Promised to Not cut Medicaid.

https://Twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... _src=twsrc^tfw

http://web.archive.org/web/201608042159 ... titlements

[_canpakes]

Hopefully you get cancer, lose your insurance, and die a painful, needless death. One can hope, anyway.

I would expect as much from someone like yourself.

One thing for sure if I get cancer, neither you nor any other bleeding heart liberal would pay a dime to help me. The only way in which you give two bits about the poor is inasmuch as you can be generous with other peoples earnings. The poor is just the means through which you achieve the power and control over other people that you crave.

"... you can be generous with other peoples earnings..."

Would he not also be generous with his own earnings at the same rate given the same income?

[_EAllusion]

Oh no, no more Medicaid! Maybe we'll have to try working for a living or waiting to get a full time job before we start having kids.

Or maybe you're disabled and old, and can't work.

Your stereotyping doesn't help, well, anything.

A huge % of Medicaid dollars go to dual-eligible high-needs people such as the cognitively disabled. Ajax has commented on this before. He doesn't care if they die in a ditch so long as he isn't paying for it.

A huge % of adults who don't fall in that category who receive Medicaid funds are, in fact, employed. As usual, he confuses being poor with not working. The elderly, disabled, and working poor make up the vast bulk of Medicaid beneficiaries.

But the real kicker here is that nothing in the ACA reform Republicans are proposing attempts to eliminate Medicaid. He's celebrating something that isn't happening. What it does do is slash Medicaid by almost a trillion dollars over 10 years aimed mostly at the ACA's expansion of the same coupled with some cuts caused by a reorganization of the program. The savings are returned to the ultra-wealthy that paid for the expansion in a tax-hike. The people who benefit most from those ACA Medicaid dollars are easily the working poor. When the umbrella was moved up to 133% of the federal poverty line, that made eligible a lot of working people scraping by. The people he's criticizing for not having a job.

[_canpakes]

A huge % of Medicaid dollars go to dual-eligible high-needs people such as the cognitively disabled. Ajax has commented on this before. He doesn't care if they die in a ditch so long as he isn't paying for it.

Correction: he doesn't care if they die in a ditch only if they dig the ditch themselves before doing so. Otherwise, they're clearly mooching off of someone else's ditch-digging labor.

[Guest]

The vocabulary term for the next few days is...

Cognitive Dissonance
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress (discomfort) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values; when performing an action that contradicts existing beliefs, ideas, or values; or when confronted with new information that contradicts existing beliefs, ideas, and values.

"We're going to have insurance for everybody"— Donald Trump, Washington Post interview, 01/15/2017

"I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we're going through" — Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, NBC's "Meet The Press," 03/12/2017

"I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid" — Donald Trump, Daily Signal interview, 05/21/2015

Actually, the person I think who probably experiences the most cognitive dissonance is Paul Ryan. I don't know you balance Ayn Rand, Donald Trump and the United States in your head.

Trump is too much of a sociopath to experience discomfort when he lies. That's why he does it so easily and naturally.

But already there are so pretty deep fissures. Senator Tom Cotton has said told the House GOP if they pass this bill they could lose their majority in 2018 midterms.

Oh, and another thing that is not in the bill that Trump promised: Inter-state health exchanges. No provision in the bill. Why? Because it would be a procedural change that would require 60 votes.

As the super wealthy get a tax break while 24 million lose their insurance, and the poor drop of the medicaid roles, once again we will become that shining city on a hill...right?

by the way, there's a Great Interactive Map that will show you the changes from Obamacare to Trumpcare at the Kaiser Foundation.

[_Jersey Girl]

Or maybe you're disabled and old, and can't work.

Your stereotyping doesn't help, well, anything.

A huge % of Medicaid dollars go to dual-eligible high-needs people such as the cognitively disabled. Ajax has commented on this before. He doesn't care if they die in a ditch so long as he isn't paying for it.

A huge % of adults who don't fall in that category who receive Medicaid funds are, in fact, employed. As usual, he confuses being poor with not working. The elderly, disabled, and working poor make up the vast bulk of Medicaid beneficiaries.

But the real kicker here is that nothing in the ACA reform Republicans are proposing attempts to eliminate Medicaid. He's celebrating something that isn't happening. What it does do is slash Medicaid by almost a trillion dollars over 10 years aimed mostly at the ACA's expansion of the same coupled with some cuts caused by a reorganization of the program. The savings are returned to the ultra-wealthy that paid for the expansion in a tax-hike. The people who benefit most from those ACA Medicaid dollars are easily the working poor. When the umbrella was moved up to 133% of the federal poverty line, that made eligible a lot of working people scraping by. The people he's criticizing for not having a job.

Thank. you.

Try this bit on for size. Imagine you are someone living below poverty level. Imagine that you have been subjected to a major and traumatic life event. Imagine that your physical health was already compromised. Imagine having no POV, being housebound, and no people around you who can lend support. Imagine having to make your own medical and mental healthcare appointments, trying to articulate what you need when you are experiencing all the symptoms of PTSD. Imagine having to line up medical transport two days in advance of your appointment.

And then, imagine going to your mental heath appointment with possible relief in sight, only to be told that they mixed up your appointment schedule because the therapist you saw for a total of 30 minutes "therapy", never entered it into the computer and being turned away. TWICE. Imagine yourself going home to the very place where the event occurred, to which you were first responder. and after months of being jerked around by a system that continues to fail you while you attempt to make every attempt to seek help and imagine that after multiple attempts, you remain untreated for your symptoms and are rationing out valium in half doses because your pain management took pity on you and spotted you some, and you only have one pill left to break in half.

Just imagine that and when you're done, please tell Ajax to screw himself repeatedly.

Thank you.

[_MeDotOrg]

In my last post I called Trump a sociopath. I started thinking that was too strong a term, and I wondered if there was a 'softer' term in the spectrum of sociopath, like Asperger's to Autism.

So I called a friend of mine who is a Doctor of Psychology and asked if there was a spectrum of Sociopathology, and if there were a milder version of Sociopath, like Asperger's is to Autism.

She said no, that basically there was no mild version of being a Sociopath. (She also told me that Asperger's has been dropped from the DSM-5 as a diagnosis, and this creating a lot of problems.)

So I asked my friend the Doctor, who teaches and reviews the work of other doctoral candidates, what the clinical term was for Donald Trump.

She replied "A damned asshole."

So that's the clinical term from a Doctor of Psychology. That's the Asperger's equivalent I've been looking for. Or maybe it's Tourette Syndrome...