"I think many people would have held that meeting"

[_MeDotOrg]

"I think many people would have held that meeting" is what Donald Trump said about his son's meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya.

And he's absolutely right. I think there are a lot of people who would work with a foreign government to obtain a political victory at home. People will literally work with the enemies of the United States if it means electing their candidate.

Have we gotten to the point where we trust Russians more than Democrats? And what does that say about the state of political discourse in this country?

In other words, it would never enter Donald Trump Jr.'s mind that Hillary Clinton, even though she is your political opponent, is an American. You may disagree with her politics, but she has served this country as a Senator and Secretary of State. A Russian attorney connected to the Russian government is not an American, and does not have the best interests of the United States of America at heart.

On the one hand, this seems clear and obvious. It is hard for someone to look at the proposal for negative information about Hillary Clinton and not see that this is coming with a huge flaming asterisk. What has not been discussed is that while they wanted to help Donald Trump, a big reason for wanting to help Donald Trump is that Putin wanted to hurt Hillary Clinton.

Putin really doesn't like Hillary. He and Trump have that in common. But I would hope that Trump and his son would realize that Putin's motives (or any of his operatives) with respect to Hillary Clinton are not squeaky clean. But we have come to a point in American politics where the enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if that friend is my nation's enemy.

As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide. A. Lincoln

[_Philo Sofee]

And I am afraid that nothing will be done about it. We are boiling frogs and don't even know it. Oh, and to sooth the dumbass among us, butt hurt boiling frogs.

[_Some Schmo]

Putin really doesn't like Hillary. He and Trump have that in common. But I would hope that Trump and his son would realize that Putin's motives (or any of his operatives) with respect to Hillary Clinton are not squeaky clean. But we have come to a point in American politics where the enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if that friend is my nation's enemy.

Oddly, I suspect that Drumpf doesn't actually dislike Hillary all that much. I think he's just saying what he's been saying because he thinks it's politically expedient. He's using her, like he uses anyone. She's not a person to him, just a thing he can use to further his own agenda.

And Putin doesn't like her, so what the hell? Why not?

[_subgenius]

Have we gotten to the point where we trust Russians more than Democrats? And what does that say about the state of political discourse in this country?

Liberals are protectionist when convenient? Those who support notions such as the EU or Globalization are hard pressed to be taken seriously when they suddenly snatch "Murica" from the hands of those they mock.

In other words, it would never enter Donald Trump Jr.'s mind that Hillary Clinton, even though she is your political opponent, is an American. You may disagree with her politics,

i believe they more than disagreed with her politics...they claimed she was a criminal and that is not simply a potatoe potatah situation.

but she has served this country as a Senator and Secretary of State.

Many convicted, corrupt, and, in Hillary Clinton's case, ineffective people have held government offices...this did not qualify them for exceptional treatment in any forum. Why should it?

A Russian attorney connected to the Russian government is not an American, and does not have the best interests of the United States of America at heart.

hearsay and speculation...a passport does not confirm where a person's interest may lay. Are you saying that people like KG are loyal to Trump ? simply because when all is said and done, Trump is an American.

As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide. A. Lincoln

A wise sentiment and one that the DNC has stubbornly disregarded

[_EAllusion]

Unless you favor protectionist trade policy, you cannot ever credibly claim to ever have US interests at heart. Think Pearl Haber was bad? Nonsense if you support the TPP. Likewise of you support any form of international cooperation.

Subgenius everyone.

[_Some Schmo]

What's simultaneously hilarious and sad is that people defending Drumpf's actions have, for months now, been quick to say there was no collusion, but the moment something surfaces that shows there most likely was collusion, it's no big deal.

Why deny it all along if it was no big deal? Why not start off with that defense? And why has the White House been lying about it all this time if they thought nothing was wrong with it?

This is the definition of cog dis.

[_Xenophon]

I say go full tilt on the defense. Just claim the Jr was doing his patriotic duty by doing everything he can to keep Hillary Clinton out of office. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, and all that.

To your point Schmo, I'm not sure which bothers me more:

• They are unaware of how ridiculous and hypocritical their shifting position is, thereby highlighting their supreme incompetence
• They fully comprehend that they are just grasping at straws now and are doing so solely to remain in power

Either way, it isn't a pretty picture.

[_Some Schmo]

I say go full tilt on the defense. Just claim the Jr was doing his patriotic duty by doing everything he can to keep Hillary Clinton out of office. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, and all that.

To your point Schmo, I'm not sure which bothers me more:

• They are unaware of how ridiculous and hypocritical their shifting position is, thereby highlighting their supreme incompetence
• They fully comprehend that they are just grasping at straws now and are doing so solely to remain in power

Either way, it isn't a pretty picture.

I would go with your second option, and add to it that they know they've been able to con their base with utter nonsense so far, so why stop now?

ETA: and by the way, as we can see from a few people on this forum, their BS is still working.

[_The CCC]

The Drumpf's aren't complete idiots. They know their base very well.

[_cinepro]

Oddly, I suspect that Drumpf doesn't actually dislike Hillary all that much. I think he's just saying what he's been saying because he thinks it's politically expedient. He's using her, like he uses anyone. She's not a person to him, just a thing he can use to further his own agenda.

And Putin doesn't like her, so what the hell? Why not?

What does "like" or "dislike" have to do with anything in politics? Does Hillary Clinton "like" Obama? It sure didn't seem like it in 2008. But then she was his Secretary of State, so maybe she does. Or maybe the normal definition of "like" and "dislike" don't apply at that level of politics. It's totally irrelevant.

Once Trump decided to make a concerted effort to reach the Presidency, it was like a horse race where you just concentrate on passing the horse in front of you. And once you've passed them, they're meaningless because you're focusing on the next horse. It was the same pattern as he went through the primaries, picking off one Republican would-be contender after another. Why do you think there hasn't been a word about prosecuting Hillary after Trump won? Because that was just rhetoric that was calculated to get him to the finish line first, and once he was there, it was no longer useful, and pursuing it would be a huge waste of time and effort.

Are you really just figuring that out now, 8 months after he won?