Downtown LA

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

This one is for dedicated to you...it is my old Ward...it is hard to see, but it is like a prison now...less the barbed wire...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDqYcEo4k7E

This one is my old little league park...now a mess...it is hard to tell by the crappy video but there are maybe 10 or 15 little tent type houses in the area....

Well, you're not that off by describing the area the way you have. You could've told me that was some place in Mexico or Peru and I would've believed you. All the chapels in Peru were exactly like the one you filmed. Gated. Hardened against break-ins.

Times, they are a changin'.

- Doc

[_Markk]

Well, you're not that off by describing the area the way you have. You could've told me that was some place in Mexico or Peru and I would've believed you. All the chapels in Peru were exactly like the one you filmed. Gated. Hardened against break-ins.

Times, they are a changin'.

- Doc

It's sad also in that we (the ward) built this chapel. It took years of Saturdays with the folks doing most the work. I was really small and just played while my GF, dad and older brothers worked.

[_Jersey Girl]

YOU SAID MY NAME!!!

This one here....7th and waterman

I want to ask questions and will probably have questions about the other.

What's around that park?
Any neighborhoods?
Why are there no folks from the neighborhoods interested or able to reclaim the park and maintain a presence there?
Do the folks in the neighborhoods ever do park clean ups?

I guess I could apply those same questions to other videos as well.

by the way, your old Ward looked like a compound and the graffiti doesn't help. I'm sorry you have to see that.

:-(

[_Markk]

YOU SAID MY NAME!!!

This one here....7th and waterman

I want to ask questions and will probably have questions about the other.

What's around that park?
Any neighborhoods?
Why are there no folks from the neighborhoods interested or able to reclaim the park and maintain a presence there?
Do the folks in the neighborhoods ever do park clean ups?

I guess I could apply those same questions to other videos as well.

by the way, your old Ward looked like a compound and the graffiti doesn't help. I'm sorry you have to see that.

:-(

It is easy to explain Jersey Girl, but I just don't think you can grasp the poverty level and the nature of the city. There is no such thing as neighbors coming together to save a park, especially in that area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QpQgXWKxsQ

here is the main part of the park...and aging my crappy camera does not give it justice...it is simply dead.

Towards the end I said that some people were enjoying the park, I was being facetious....it was a bunch of junkies most likely.

The city is more or less bankrupt. Crime is so far out of control it is not really enforced in a lower level, meaning cops only have time for serious crimes. Someone can look it up, but I read it is like 50% rental properties in a city of 250k, so no real pride of ownership. There are about 60k homes, and 30k are rentals.

Gangs are out of control, and english is New Testament the first language for many if not most who live in SB

Do the folks in the neighborhoods ever do park clean ups?

Jersey Girl...I know you live in a different world and you cannot fathom what is happening in So CA, in far too many communities here.

People do not pick up trash in their own yards and homes in many of these neighborhoods, they will not go to a park and pick up trash for the homeless and junkies to live in the park. plus, besides the needles and other such things one might find, their are hundreds of homeless that live in and around the park.

My wife and I had a ministry their for years, I had a trailer with three BBQs on it, and we could feed about 200 in a few hours...we did this once a month, but it go to the point that it was unsafe, especially in the summer with "hot drunks," and finally the City kicked us out by saying we were not licensed by the health department.

Check this video out...it use to be Military Housing...hundreds of small modest homes, well kept. They closed Norton Air Force base, and gave it to low income folks, or maybe they just took it over...I can't remember, but it turned it into a drug paradise, it got so bad they just tore it all down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kAk-KfBDRI

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl...I know you live in a different world and you cannot fathom what is happening in So CA, in far too many communities here.

Just to be clear, I do live in a different world now. I was raised in poverty and in a house that could have easily been condemned by the health department and almost was. I actually came face to face with a health department inspector, acting on a report by a neighbor, on account of the condition of the house and talked him out of pursuing anything.

If you think I have no reference for poverty, you're dead wrong.

[_Markk]

Jersey Girl...I know you live in a different world and you cannot fathom what is happening in So CA, in far too many communities here.

Just to be clear, I do live in a different world now. I was raised in poverty and in a house that could have easily been condemned by the health department and almost was. I actually came face to face with a health department inspector, acting on a report by a neighbor, on account of the condition of the house and talked him out of pursuing anything.

If you think I have no reference for poverty, you're dead wrong.

I wasn't trying to be divisive sorry.

[_Jersey Girl]

I wasn't trying to be divisive sorry.

No problem! :-) Remember I said this earlier in the thread?

I started working when I lied about my age at 17 to get a job, so no, I don't understand.

Poverty is why I lied to get a job.

[_The CCC]

I've first moved to San Bernardino in 1960. Norton AFB was a hub of government investment in Aerospace, and the largest employer in the area. It declined significantly after Norton closed down, and it's tax base evaporated.

[_Jersey Girl]

I didn't even know Norton was closed.

[_The CCC]

I didn't even know Norton was closed.

The flight line is still there, but the AFB is long gone. They tried to turn it into a major cargo plane destination, but with little success. Now it is mostly used by the US Forest Service to fill up planes with water/fire suppressant when we have fires close by.