However, a new poll found “the number of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who think that the Russians sought to influence the election, and that the Trump team intentionally helped them,” is now just 9%, falling 18% since April to the ABC News/Washington Post regarding Americans thoughts about possible ties Trump had with the Russian government.
The results come from a poll conducted from July 10-13. Partisan divisions in the poll were “35-23-35 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents.” Its margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points.
So, with this trend among Republicans do any of you seriously think impeachment is even a fantasy?
consider also According to the poll, the number of Democrats who believe this (64%) increased just four percentage points from April. That, according to ABC, is “not a significant shift.
So, with Jr's email release and the constant chatter about this topic, we are not seeing an increase in the number of Democrats who are "convinced". It would seem that the odds favor this story losing the wind from its sails in the coming months, if not weeks. Believe it or not the healthcare topic is about to take the stage and these threads will slowly fade away like a 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88 in Poucha Pond.
So, what are the realistic odds that Trump will even get a reprimand? Does anyone on this board believe in their position on this topic so strongly that they have placed a bet in Vegas?
(note that even with recent surge due to email Vegas odds still favor Trump going the full 4 years over being his impeached, as an ongoing trend)
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The reality of the situation is that we have a president disapproved of by over 50% of the population. That he could literally go onto 5th Ave and shoot someone and not loose supporters. Will the issue go away? Not likely. Will it result in impeachment and removal from office? Not likely. Sad.
The CCC wrote:The reality of the situation is that we have a president disapproved of by over 50% of the population. That he could literally go onto 5th Ave and shoot someone and not loose supporters. Will the issue go away? Not likely. Will it result in impeachment and removal from office? Not likely. Sad.
Impeachment is an act by Congress.
Mueller's investigation could lead to that, but it will take time because he will be thorough.
We don't hear anything coming from his corner; No leaks from his camp.
When his investigation turns into litigation, that is when the SWHTF.
I'm not optimistic about that. The Republicans control all three branches of government. Plus the President is not subject to criminal charges while in office. SEE https://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/watch- ... ple-steps/
Impeachment is not that dramatic either, remember that Bill Clinton was impeached and remained in office without any subsequent criminal proceedings and arguably no significant political damage....yes, it was scandalous but that was about all....and be mindful that an almost identical campaign scandal occurred with DNC/Clinton in 1996 with China....point is, what have you really been distracted from these past few months?
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The CCC wrote:The reality of the situation is that we have a president disapproved of by over 50% of the population. That he could literally go onto 5th Ave and shoot someone and not loose supporters. Will the issue go away? Not likely. Will it result in impeachment and removal from office? Not likely. Sad.
That's my thinking. At least 90% of Republicans in Congress put party before country, so until supporting Trump becomes political suicide in their respective districts, these guys will give Trump a pass, regardless of what high crimes he is guilty of. And since a plurality of Republican voters will always embrace what their propaganda-feigning-as-news tells them to embrace, I doubt there will be a sea change. If Trump shot somebody on 5th Avenue, Republicans would scream that since Hillary Clinton shot Vince Foster and the "fake news" didn't even report it, the "fake news" are the real villains and Trump should be given a pass.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
Analytics wrote:That's my thinking. At least 90% of Republicans in Congress put party before country, so until supporting Trump becomes political suicide in their respective districts, these guys will give Trump a pass, regardless of what high crimes he is guilty of. And since a plurality of Republican voters will always embrace what their propaganda-feigning-as-news tells them to embrace, I doubt there will be a sea change. If Trump shot somebody on 5th Avenue, Republicans would scream that since Hillary Clinton shot Vince Foster and the "fake news" didn't even report it, the "fake news" are the real villains and Trump should be given a pass.
That's what I'm afraid of too. Much of Trump's supporting base is so determined to hold on to whatever power and influence the have because of him that there is virtually nothing he can do, however atrocious, that will cause them to dump Trump. It may not be entirely hyperbolic to suggest that many of them would still vote for him if he wandered out of the Whitehouse one day and randomly shot to death some random passing motorist on Pennsylvania avenue just out of spite and frustration. As you already reminded us, Trump himself claimed he could do something like that without losing significant Republican support. I no longer think that was just an idle boast on his part. I desperately hope that will eventually be proven wrong.
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There are just so many variables right now that make it difficult to make an accurate guesstimate on impeachment.
There are just too many things we don't know. 2 weeks no one was talking about Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyers. Who knows what we'll be talking about in 2 months?
A lot will probably decided if and when Mueller releases his findings, which may not be for a long time. Until that happens, barring any foreseeable new revelations, I would agree that the path to impeachment is rocky. Right now there's a pretty strong case that Trump Jr. wanted to break the law, but there is a distance between that and high crimes and misdemeanors for his father.
And part of this will also be how Republicans respond. Will there be a tipping point where core support starts to erode? If so, expect to see a lot of Republicans in purplish districts to start to back away from the President. But again, we have a million miles to go.
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MeDotOrg wrote:There are just so many variables right now that make it difficult to make an accurate guesstimate on impeachment.
There are just too many things we don't know. 2 weeks no one was talking about Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyers. Who knows what we'll be talking about in 2 months?
A lot will probably decided if and when Mueller releases his findings, which may not be for a long time. Until that happens, barring any foreseeable new revelations, I would agree that the path to impeachment is rocky. Right now there's a pretty strong case that Trump Jr. wanted to break the law, but there is a distance between that and high crimes and misdemeanors for his father.
And part of this will also be how Republicans respond. Will there be a tipping point where core support starts to erode? If so, expect to see a lot of Republicans in purplish districts to start to back away from the President. But again, we have a million miles to go.
How does the pool cited in the OP inform your speculation here? The Trump Jr chapter has had little influence on the subject, even among Democrats....with Republicans seemingly growing tired of all the sizzle with no steak
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
