Canada, eh?

[Guest]

Thousands of people who fled to Canada to escape President Donald Trump’s crackdown on illegal migrants have become trapped in legal limbo because of an overburdened refugee system, struggling to find work, permanent housing or enroll their children in schools.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/asylum-seeke ... 01170.html

Refugee claims are taking longer to be completed than at any time in the past five years, according to previously unpublished Immigration and Refugee Board data provided to Reuters. Those wait times are set to grow longer after the IRB in April allocated “up to half” of its 127 tribunal members to focus on old cases. The number of delayed hearings more than doubled from 2015 to 2016 and is on track to increase again this year.
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"They just said that they didn't rent places to refugee claimants," he said. "(They) said that refugees don't have jobs and probably wouldn't pay."



well, at least Canada has something real to do now other than fawn over Teen-Beat pictures of Trudeau.

Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radar?

[_Dr. Shades]

Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radio?

Do you mean, ". . . under the radar?"

[_subgenius]

Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radio?

Do you mean, ". . . under the radar?"

Indeed I did, thank you.

[_Themis]

Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radar?

No.

[_Xenophon]

Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radar?

No.

What is especially odd about this "France-like problem" in regards to Muslims is that there is plenty of data to suggest that France actually does a considerably better job at integration than most other countries.

A nice write-up on some Pew research from 2006 (a bit old, but I really liked the article)

When Muslim youth rioted in the suburbs of France late last year, commentators were quick to fault the French “color-blind” assimilation model. “The unrest in France’s cities shows that social and policing policy has failed, as well as integration,” read the headline on an article in the Economist magazine on November 12, 2005.

But findings from the latest Pew Global Attitudes Survey, which included over-samples of Muslims in four European countries, suggest that the French model can claim some success, however mixed. Some aspects of that relative success are especially striking when compared with the attitudes and experiences of Muslims in Great Britain, where police last week foiled a home-grown plot by Islamic terrorists to blow up U.S.-bound airliners.

Again, perhaps not as integrated as a nation might want, but they are doing better than most.



Despite all the "problems", it is also worth noting that the French public seems to hold pretty positive views of Muslims as well.



And even France's political right has more favorable views than many countries moderates or left:

[_moksha]

Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radar?

This is a growing concern. Who knows what mayhem these Yanks with their loud and boisterous ways might wreck upon the good people of Canada? They might conspire to take away the national health care system or something equally nefarious. It's a boot time we make Canada pretty good again, eh? Maybe we can post "Be reasonable" signs at the border.

[_subgenius]

What is especially odd about this "France-like problem" in regards to Muslims is that there is plenty of data to suggest that France actually does a considerably better job at integration than most other countries.

Not sure that using the The Paris Riots, The Calais Crisis, "The Jungle"(2009), and the countless other immigrant worker "uprisings" are benchmarks that support your claim here....if France is doing it well, then i would hate to see where it is not being done well.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/05/world ... night.html
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ffic-chaos
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ies-France
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... s-run-wild
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-are.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/ ... on-sarkozy

[_The CCC]

False Dichotomy. France has its problems with refugees like every other country in the area. It is doing a better job than others.
SEE https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10005267

[_Chap]

I think you will find that if you speak to people who actually have some experience of life in (say) the central area of a major French city, you will not manage to detect signs that they spend much time worried about Muslims in general, or even jihadis. Most French people are rational enough to know that the major risks of life shortening come from road accidents and pollution, as in other countries. Contrary to filmic stereotypes, the French are on the whole a calm people.

Of course, in France one does not have to worry much about gun-toting toddlers, who are (it has been pointed out) currently a larger risk to Americans than any home-grown jihadi they may encounter.

[_Xenophon]

Subs, you can point out some pretty rough situations, there is no doubt about that. Every country with a large influx of immigrants will have some problems. Feelings of disconnection from society, high unemployment and discrimination are issues that plague these communities and make life pretty difficult.

That said, I just think it is disingenuous to ignore the fact that the French people don't seem to regard the population as a "problem", like you do. It is also silly to ignore the fact that French Muslims value their ties to the country more-so than Muslims in other European areas (by the way did you even bother to read the Pew Research?).

It should also be noted that French Muslims have worked hard to fight to stop/slow radicalization. It's not like the entire community of French Muslims is just sitting around thinking of ways to cause chaos and destruction.

Another nice write-up with some solid context on the diversity within France's Muslim population from the Brookings Institution (PDF warning)

One final article here that I found pretty interesting, for anyone that actually wants to read sources.

My deepest apologies for providing context from the group of people/country in question.

ETA:Thanks Chap, you beat me to it. I don't understand how information directly from the people living it is somehow weighed less than outside media reports.