Xenophon wrote:Subs, you can point out some pretty rough situations, there is no doubt about that. Every country with a large influx of immigrants will have some problems. Feelings of disconnection from society, high unemployment and discrimination are issues that plague these communities and make life pretty difficult.
That said, I just think it is disingenuous to ignore the fact that the French people don't seem to regard the population as a "problem", like you do.
I did not say "the population" was a problem - i clearly asked in the OP if similar problems might also be experienced in Canada. The OP is not a condemnation of refugees nor is it an endorsement of a refugee-ban. I was simply noting that Canada has a serious today challenge with its refugee strategy and then i ask if that may evolve into a tomorrow problem. The implication is not nearly as broad sweeping as you are assuming
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Chap wrote:I think you will find that if you speak to people who actually have some experience of life in (say) the central area of a major French city, you will not manage to detect signs that they spend much time worried about Muslims in general, or even jihadis. Most French people are rational enough to know that the major risks of life shortening come from road accidents and pollution, as in other countries. Contrary to filmic stereotypes, the French are on the whole a calm people.
Of course, in France one does not have to worry much about gun-toting toddlers, who are (it has been pointed out) currently a larger risk to Americans than any home-grown jihadi they may encounter.
how exactly did you conclude from the OP that there was a concern for jihadis ? and what kind of moron believes that unless a problem is at the top of the list it should not be a concern? - ever walk and chew gum?
It seems rather obvious that any country with any sudden and unexpected <insert type here> refugee population that significantly exceeds the capacity of that country's resources has something to "worry about". For anyone to diminish the problem of The Jungle in 2009 by simply dismissing it as no-big-deal-to-regular-people is just ignorant.
For example, if you speak to people who actually have some experience of life in (say) the central area of a major American city, you will not manage to detect signs that they spend much time worried about gun-toting toddlers, or even jihadis http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ter ... d4bcbfce99
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subgenius wrote:I did not say "the population" was a problem - i clearly asked in the OP if similar problems might also be experienced in Canada. The OP is not a condemnation of refugees nor is it an endorsement of a refugee-ban. I was simply noting that Canada has a serious today challenge with its refugee strategy and then i ask if that may evolve into a tomorrow problem. The implication is not nearly as broad sweeping as you are assuming
Perhaps you should try to be a bit more explicit in your OP then, which consisted of only one real sentence (Trudeau jab aside).
subs wrote:Does anyone see the potential for France-like problems emerging in Canada as these "refugees" inevitably coalesce into a community that exists under the radar?
I'm sure even you can see how loaded the language of your question is and given your contrarian nature, it is not surprising if we questioned your implications (why is refugee in scare quotes?).
All that aside, any influx of refugees will obviously create a unique set of challenges but I have seen nothing in Canada's history that suggests they are not up to the challenge. If they are able to achieve as high of a percentage of integration as France has, I'm sure they will be more than pleased.
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Chap wrote:I think you will find that if you speak to people who actually have some experience of life in (say) the central area of a major French city, you will not manage to detect signs that they spend much time worried about Muslims in general, or even jihadis. Most French people are rational enough to know that the major risks of life shortening come from road accidents and pollution, as in other countries. Contrary to filmic stereotypes, the French are on the whole a calm people.
Of course, in France one does not have to worry much about gun-toting toddlers, who are (it has been pointed out) currently a larger risk to Americans than any home-grown jihadi they may encounter.
how exactly did you conclude from the OP that there was a concern for jihadis ?
subgenius talks about 'France-like problems'; others talk about France's Muslim population. I join in. I'm rather pleased to find that subgenius is annoyed by my comment. I suspect he is the only reader of the thread to feel that way, which is fine by me.
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