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Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:08 am
by _Jersey Girl
I just now got my hands on this story.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics ... index.html

Not being the sharpest tool in the political tool shed around here, I have a question.

If Trump fired Comey and then, tried to fire Mueller...can both events be viewed as obstruction of justice/attempt to obstruct justice and if so...can Trump be charged on this?

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:16 am
by _EAllusion
It would be hard to charge Trump with anything in the sense you are referring to. It's about as brightline of an example of a reason you impeach a president as can possibly exist, but that's a parallel process.

The timing of this leak is interesting as its happening at the exact same time that Republicans in Congress are increasingly bold about weaving dishonest conspiracy theories to discredit the leadership of the FBI.

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:17 am
by _Jersey Girl
Okay thanks, EA. I got a little excited there.

:wink:

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:18 am
by _Res Ipsa
He can’t be charged, because the president cannot be criminally prosecuted for acts taken as president. The only thing we’re talking about is impeachment, which is discretionary by Congress.

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:20 am
by _Res Ipsa
The main relevance of this story is that it is pretty dramatic evidence of intent to obstruct justice.

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:20 am
by _Jersey Girl
Res Ipsa wrote:He can’t be charged, because the president cannot be criminally prosecuted for acts taken as president. The only thing we’re talking about is impeachment, which is discretionary by Congress.


He can't? If he outright took a gun out of his desk drawer and shot someone to death (no self defense involved) could he not be charged and prosecuted for murder?

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:26 am
by _Res Ipsa
Jersey Girl wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:He can’t be charged, because the president cannot be criminally prosecuted for acts taken as president. The only thing we’re talking about is impeachment, which is discretionary by Congress.


He can't? If he outright took a gun out of his desk drawer and shot someone to death (no self defense involved) could he not be charged and prosecuted for murder?


I believe that shooting someone would not be considered an action taken “as president.”

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:29 am
by _Jersey Girl
Okay I misunderstood, RI.

I think... :eek:

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:31 am
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Jersey Girl wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:He can’t be charged, because the president cannot be criminally prosecuted for acts taken as president. The only thing we’re talking about is impeachment, which is discretionary by Congress.


He can't? If he outright took a gun out of his desk drawer and shot someone to death (no self defense involved) could he not be charged and prosecuted for murder?


Well. Obama killed an American citizen (or two) without due process so....

- Doc

Re: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:31 am
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Res Ipsa wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:He can't? If he outright took a gun out of his desk drawer and shot someone to death (no self defense involved) could he not be charged and prosecuted for murder?


I believe that shooting someone would not be considered an action taken “as president.”


Good luck prosecuting him.

- Doc