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...to curry favor with the Trump admin for a weapons deal:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/w ... Sd6JeB9csL

This was the most significant news of yesterday in a busy news day. It's positively flabbergasting in its level of toxic corruption. It seems to have been drown out by the Cohen story in the TV media.

You're right, this story got lost in the flood. It would be the ultimate obstruction of justice story: A foreign power is bribed with military hardware in exchange for non-cooperation with a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the U.S. President and his campaign manager.

This is the thing about the internet/24 cable news cycle in the age of Trump: things seem to happen so fast there doesn't seem to be enough time to really digest the information we receive. I wonder how much state department and intelligence traffic intercepts there might be about negotiations implying Javelin missiles for non-cooperation.

I just get up every day and pray for the health of the 3 R's: Rob Rosenstein, Robert Mueller and Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

EAllusion wrote:It's positively flabbergasting in its level of toxic corruption.

You're not used to it by now?

MeDotOrg wrote:A foreign power is bribed with military hardware

your assertion of this seems rather naïve (and politically convenient) in the context of world history, american history, and the fundamental working of mankind and societies.

subgenius wrote:

MeDotOrg wrote:A foreign power is bribed with military hardware

your assertion of this seems rather naïve (and politically convenient) in the context of world history, American history, and the fundamental working of mankind and societies.

If Obama had been embroiled in such a scheme, you would not make the argument of context. Although plotting, currying favor and one bloody hand washing the other are indeed the stuff of history.

subgenius wrote:

MeDotOrg wrote:A foreign power is bribed with military hardware

your assertion of this seems rather naïve (and politically convenient) in the context of world history, american history, and the fundamental working of mankind and societies.

In this case, the claim is that a foreign country was bribed with military weapons specifically to benefit the President and his inner circle. And only that inner circle. The American people and the good of the nation are at best not benefited by this action and at worst it is an example of the erosion of our democratic values by a strongman ignoramus.

honorentheos wrote:

subgenius wrote:your assertion of this seems rather naïve (and politically convenient) in the context of world history, american history, and the fundamental working of mankind and societies.

In this case, the claim is that a foreign country was bribed with military weapons specifically to benefit the President and his inner circle. And only that inner circle. The American people and the good of the nation are at best not benefited by this action and at worst it is an example of the erosion of our democratic values by a strongman ignoramus.

Subby is just trying to say everyone does it so it's ok if Trump does it to get away with corruption and cheating in the last election. He doesn't back up his assertion, but it's interesting that his assertion is an admission that he knows Trump is guilty.

subgenius wrote:

MeDotOrg wrote:A foreign power is bribed with military hardware

your assertion of this seems rather naïve (and politically convenient) in the context of world history, american history, and the fundamental working of mankind and societies.

Explain for us again you're thoughts on Uranium One?

Themis wrote:Subby is just trying to say everyone does it so it's ok if Trump does it to get away with corruption and cheating in the last election. He doesn't back up his assertion, but it's interesting that his assertion is an admission that he knows Trump is guilty.

You don't back up your assertion that Trump cheated, so why should I? clearly this is the don't have to back up assertions thread.....CFR and thus be labeled a troll my friend.

But to my point, no, I am not saying that the vast and blatant historical precedence for mankind participating in "arms bribery" justifies Trump's whatever or does not justify Trump's whatever...clearly I was noting that the poster was posting in a manner oblivious to this fact (which is readily understood even by a cursory knowledge of world history).

Or maybe I do not understand what the poster is protesting? so much hair and so much fire makes it difficult to understand what yo guys are upset about....i can't find the facts through all the smoke that these types of posts are casting off.