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Same old story. Republican BS tricks the desperate workers into thinking they care about them by giving their company a huge tax cut, under the assumption that would somehow trickle down.

Steel profits have doubled but wages are stagnant. Trump's supporters in the steel industry are livid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWkkRFsrG7s

Trump supporting steel-worker (who hopes Trump will 'have a word with' steel industry CEOs to make them use their tax-cut boosted profits to raise stagnant wages):

'As a hard-core right-wing person, I'd be really disappointed if [Trump] sided with the corporate greed side. I'd be really disappointed.'

I think he is going to be disappointed.

Please help me find an accurate but polite description for someone who could ever have believed that Trump would actually take the side of the average wage-earner when their interests clash with raising corporate profits.

Steel workers' wages are determined by Union contract, correct?
and California is the state with most steel workers, correct?

subgenius wrote:Steel workers' wages are determined by Union contract, correct?

Are you suggesting a contract will not allow for wage increases?

and California is the state with most steel workers, correct?

They would only have a small percentage of the total, but I suspect you knew that. Just as you probably know Trump doesn't have a business history of helping out the little guy.

subgenius wrote:Steel workers' wages are determined by Union contract, correct?

Yup.

And at 00:49 into the video, you will see John Gornall, Steelworker and President of United Steelworkers Local 2019 telling a large meeting of incensed steelworkers that never in his working life has he experienced such a flat refusal by the company to even begin talking about a wage rise.

And your point was ... what? That the company wants to give the workers a raise and the union is somehow getting in the way?

Themis wrote:

subgenius wrote:Steel workers' wages are determined by Union contract, correct?

Are you suggesting a contract will not allow for wage increases?

Nope. Im suggesting that Union reps justify dues as a means to profit from CBAs. can't really blame union wages on the company.

Themis wrote:

and California is the state with most steel workers, correct?

They would only have a small percentage of the total, but I suspect you knew that. Just as you probably know Trump doesn't have a business history of helping out the little guy.

Nice imagination but perhaps season that with at least some cursory facts so you can upgrade to, at least, speculation. California accounts for about 10% of those workers in our nation. 10% is not small...for example, a 10% raise.

subgenius wrote:Nope. Im suggesting that Union reps justify dues as a means to profit from CBAs.

LOL The BS about all unions being corrupt.

can't really blame union wages on the company.

Union wages are determined with the company based on what they are willing to pay. That they still don't want to pay more now that they are taking home more money just shows they are not willing to share the profits and will pay workers as little as they can get away with. I suspect Trump knew this and was really only trying to get business owners like himself more money. Trump's history is all about how he can make more money at the expense of the average person.

Nice imagination but perhaps season that with at least some cursory facts so you can upgrade to, at least, speculation.
California accounts for about 10% of those workers in our nation. 10% is not small...for example, a 10% raise.

10% is a lot smaller then rest so it would not have the kind of effect you are suggesting.

Chap wrote:

subgenius wrote:Steel workers' wages are determined by Union contract, correct?

Yup.

And at 00:49 into the video, you will see John Gornall, Steelworker and President of United Steelworkers Local 2019 telling a large meeting of incensed steelworkers that never in his working life has he experienced such a flat refusal by the company to even begin talking about a wage rise.

And your point was ... what? That the company wants to give the workers a raise and the union is somehow getting in the way?

subgenius wrote:Nope. Im suggesting that Union reps justify dues as a means to profit from CBAs. can't really blame union wages on the company.

Um yes. Unions do rather tend to justify the dues that members pay on the grounds that belonging to the union is a good way for workers to get together to pool their influence on the company in order to get higher wages.

I mean, that's what labor unions are for, right?

And?

Chap wrote:Um yes. Unions do rather tend to justify the dues that members pay on the grounds that belonging to the union is a good way for workers to get together to pool their influence on the company in order to get higher wages.

I mean, that's what labor unions are for, right?

And?

AND, stagnant wages and lack of "influence", in this context, are a Union consequence.
thanks for the echo!

subgenius wrote:stagnant wages and lack of "influence", in this context, are a Union consequence.

So ... if the unions went away, the steel companies would raise wages without anybody needing to ask them?

Riiiiiight.