Trump says it's 'a very scary time for young men in America'

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Why so he did:

Trump says it's 'a very scary time for young men in America'

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he believes the reaction to the allegations of sexual assault and other misconduct against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh makes it "a very scary time for young men in America."

"It is a very scary time for young men in America, where you can be guilty of something you may not be guilty of," Trump said. "This is a very, very -- this is a very difficult time. What's happening here has much more to do than even the appointment of a Supreme Court justice."

That's what he said.

But she said, or, rather sang:

A Scary Time For Boys - Lynzy Lab

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I saw this and have 3 thoughts:

1) Good song.

2) She comes across as smug in a way that probably is insufferable to anyone not already inclined to agree with her.

3) The song implicitly assumes that the only fear men would have is that they'll be held accountable for their heinous actions and mocks that. While the idea that men are now on the ropes is ridiculous and deserves mocking, the kernel of fear here is that mere allegations of sexual impropriety will be taken as tantamount to guilt. That is a real concern.

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I didn't realize women travel in packs to do things like go to the bathroom at a bar or walk home to protect themselves from being taken advantage of until I was a young adult - around 19. Until I learned this, I just thought it was a strange female cultural thing. Pop culture sometimes mocks this as women just being gossipy and catty. I do think this is a blindspot for people - it certainly was for me when I was old enough to know better - that our culture would do better to be explicit about. I've seen a lot more discussion of that since "metoo" and find that to be a good thing.

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She comes across as smug

What? The young woman is singing a well-composed and witty song about the fears and limitations that young women share. She is enjoying doing so, and is doing it well.

What is your problem about that?

probably is insufferable to anyone not already inclined to agree with her

It is a satirical performance, not a group therapy session for men who have problems with women who speak their minds. It's SUPPOSED to make people feel uncomfortable. Women don't have to be sweet all the time do they? Men CERTAINLY aren't.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

That's a nice song. Good for her.

- Doc

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She comes across as smug

What? The young woman is singing a well-composed and witty song about the fears and limitations that young women share. She is enjoying doing so, and is doing it well.

You didn't see why that would come across as smug? She surrounds her message in condescending, sarcastic jabs at a position she doesn't fairly represent. "Oh, it's soooo tough for you guys because you have to worry about women you've assaulted naming you" is a pretty smug message. Anyone who doesn't see through that to the message about hurdles women comparatively continue to face is going to find that insufferable.

It is a satirical performance, not a group therapy session for men who have problems with women who speak their minds. It's SUPPOSED to make people feel uncomfortable. Women don't have to be sweet all the time do they? Men CERTAINLY aren't.

No one is saying women have to be sweet all the time, Chap. But that doesn't mean it's wrong to point out that a woman is being smug in a way that won't come across well to people who don't already agree with her. Smugness tends to have that effect, you know. More generally, adopting a defensive posture towards any criticism of any woman's speech as "not nice" by saying, "oh, so only men get to be not nice!!??!!?!" is just to toque fallacy. Directed at me, it's not like I'm known for holding women to higher standards than men.

Do you think this isn't preaching to the choir? She more less calls Kavanaugh out as a rapist in the song. If not, then why get all bent out of shape when I point out that's what it is?

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Goodness.

I don't intend to transcribe the words of the song, but pretty well all of them are straightforward descriptions of the things women can't safely do. Things that impact on their lives every single day. Things that men don't have to put up with. Because women have very good reason to be afraid of men, and to alter their behavior accordingly. If they don't, they get punished for it - and then told it was their fault.

I'm in favor of them reminding men of that when they start weeping about how hard it is to be a man nowadays.

And I'm delighted that she wrote a great song, sang it well, as was obviously pleased and proud to be doing so. Being called 'smug' for being good at something is the least of her worries.

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The things she lists that men "can't do" are sarcastic references to heinous and boorish behavior. The message is women can't leave their drink unattended or call out Bret Kavanaugh for raping them, but sure it's tough for men because they can't sexually assault women or harrass them for nudes without fear of reprisal. If you can't see why people not inclined to agree with her point of view might find that insufferable, I can't help you.

Like I said, I get the examples of where woman face social problems men typically do not and why it is ridiculous to think it is now a scary time for men. That's not why I said she comes across as smug in a way that won't be well received by those not predisposed to already agree with the point.

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Oh, by the way, let us not forget to mention that as well as having written a great song and performing it very well, she was also young and really quite good-looking?

People like that should think twice before doing anything that draws attention to themselves. They ought to know that they are just alienating others by being so blatantly ... smug.

At least she might have sung in a monotone with her head in a bag, while accompanying herself by banging two beer bottles together. And changed the words to something like 'Sometimes being of my age and gender causes me mild inconvenience, but I don't want to make a fuss. Because men are always so nice and considerate and I know they have a really hard time.'

Then she might have had a chance of changing people's minds.

[_Maksutov]

It's a scary time for creepy males. Good. Finally. This whole board revolves around a universe of nonsense generated by such a creepy lying entitled guy. It was sick then and is now.