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Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:24 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
This one is particularly painful for me. A retired Army General who served in various Military Intelligence capacities, thus he knew exactly what he was doing. He's a textbook example of a traitor along the lines of Robert Hanssen, who was motivated by money. Absolutely nuts.

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... ?context=3

April 2014 — Flynn is fired as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency ("abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." per Colin Powell).

Oct. 2014 — Flynn founds Flynn Intel Group. In a letter from the Denver International Airport, Flynn is warned that he is prohibited from receiving "consulting fees, gifts, travel expenses, honoraria, or salary ... from a foreign government unless congressional consent is first obtained".

Summer 2015 — Flynn is paid by ACU Strategic Partners to travel to the Middle East to promote a trillion-dollar Saudi-financed U.S.–Russian business to develop nuclear power capabilities in the Arab world. Flynn does not disclose this trip when applying for his security clearance renewal in Jan. 2016

Late Summer 2015 — Flynn begins advising the Trump campaign.

Aug. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from Volga-Dnepr Airlines, a Russian airfreight company that the U.N. had suspended from its list of approved vendors after a corruption scandal involving an indicted Russian U.N. official.

Oct. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from a subsidiary Kaspersky Lab. Ruslan Stoyanov, head of Kaspersky's computer incidents investigation unit is arrested in Russia, for treason, in December 2016.

Flynn travels to Saudi Arabia to again promote the Saudi/Russian nuclear project. He fails to disclose the nature of the travel and reports a fictional hotel name as his residence during the trip.

Dec. 2 — Flynn and his son meet with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak at his Washington, D.C. residence. In a subsequent email to the Russian embassy, Flynn’s son described the meeting as “very productive”. The meeting came to light publicly only in April 2018.

Dec. 10 — Seated directly at Vladimir Putin's right hand, Flynn appears in Moscow at a gala hosted by Kremlin-controlled propaganda outlet Russia Today (RT). RT pays Flynn $45,000 for his participation and provides airfare, accommodations and other expenses for Flynn and his son.

U.S. intelligence notices an uptick in communication between Flynn and Kislyak shortly after.

Feb. 2016 — Flynn increases his role with the Trump campaign and is later vetted as a possible VP pick.

Feb. 11 — While applying for renewal of his security clearance, Flynn tells Pentagon investigators that he had received no income from foreign companies and had only “insubstantial contact” with foreign nationals.

May 2016 — Flynn joins the advisory board of OSY Technologies, part of the NSO Group, a secretive cyberweapons dealer founded by former Israeli intelligence officials. NSO's spyware is subsequently found to have been used to attack and surveil prominent journalists and human rights activists.

July 18 — Flynn leads crowds at the Republican National Convention in chants of "Lock her up!", saying "if I did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today!".

Aug. 9 — Flynn signs a contract with Inovo, a firm owned by Ekim Alptekin, a close ally and appointee of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Flynn is assigned to run an influence campaign to discredit Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric who lives in Pennsylvania and was blamed by Erdogan for a failed coup.

Summer 2016 — Flynn Intel begins work on a pro-Turkey documentary, hiring professionals to shoot it, misleading them about the intentions of the project and working to conceal its role in producing the film.

Aug. 17 — Flynn begins attending classified intelligence briefings with candidate Trump.

Sept. 3 — Flynn and associates begin reaching out to Russian hackers in an attempt to obtain Clinton's personal e-mails and transmit them to Flynn through an intermediary.

Sept. 19 — Flynn meets with Turkey's ministers of foreign affairs and energy, Erdogan's son-in-law, and other officials at an undisclosed New York hotel, in a meeting arranged by Alptekin. Among other topics, Flynn discusses a plan for "a covert step in the dead of night to whisk [Gulen] away" without going through the legal extradition process.

Sept. 20 — Flynn, his son and business partners meet with Dana Rohrabacher, a U.S. congressman best known as a staunch advocate of pro-Russia policies.

Nov. 8 — Election day. Flynn publishes a lengthy op-ed entitled "Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support". He states that "we need to see the world from Turkey’s perspective" and brands Gulen as "a radical Islamist". Flynn does not disclose to the publisher that he was being paid by Alptekin.

Nov. 10 — Obama, in a face-to-face conversation with Trump, warns against hiring Flynn to be part of Trump's national security team.

Nov. 11 — Media reports expose Flynn's contract with Alptekin to lobby on behalf of Turkey.

Nov. 14 — Flynn receives the final installment of $530,000 from Alptekin.

Nov. 18 — Flynn accepts Trump's offer of the position of National Security Advisor. Pence receives a letter from Rep. Cummings notifying him of Flynn's work on behalf of Turkey.

Nov. 30 — The Justice Department notifies Flynn that it is scrutinizing his work lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government.

Nov./Dec. 2016 — Flynn meets with Austrian far-right leader Heinz-Christian Strache at Trump Tower. Strache announces weeks later that his party has signed a cooperation agreement with Vladimir Putin's ruling party.

Dec. 1 — Flynn meets with Russian ambassador Kislyak and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner at Trump Tower. The men discuss the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities to shield their discussions from monitoring.

Mid-Dec. — Flynn meets with the Turkish government to discuss an offer to pay him and his son as much as $15 million to kidnap Gulen and deliver him to a Turkish prison island.

Dec. 22 — Flynn secretly asks Kislyak for Russia's help to delay or defeat a pending UN Security Council resolution.

Dec. 29 — Flynn secretly discusses relief from U.S. sanctions with Kislyak on the same day the Obama administration announces its response to Russian interference in the campaign.

Jan. 4 — Flynn tells Trump’s transition team that he is under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey during the campaign.

Jan. 6 (approx.) — The FBI begins investigating Flynn's late December phone conversations with Kislyak.

Jan. 12 — Conforming to the wishes of Turkey, Flynn instructs the Obama administration to hold off on a military operation to retake the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa with Syrian Kurdish forces.

Jan. 18 — Flynn attends a “working breakfast” with the Foreign Minister of Turkey and others, including Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Jan. 20 — Trump is inaugurated. Flynn becomes National Security Advisor.

Eleven minutes into the Trump presidency, Flynn texts ACU managing partner Alex Copson that the Russian nuclear plan is "good to go" and "to put things in place". Copson tells associates that Flynn would ensure that sanctions against Russia are "ripped up" and that "this is going to make a lot of very wealthy people".

Jan. 22 — The WSJ reports that Flynn is under investigation by U.S. counterintelligence agents regarding his communications with Russian officials.

Jan. 24 — The FBI interviews Flynn regarding his Russian contacts.

Jan. 26 — Acting Attorney General Sally Yates informs the White House that Flynn misled the FBI in his interview, that the DOJ knew that Flynn’s public accounts were untrue, and expressed concerns that he was vulnerable to blackmail by Russian intelligence.

Jan. 30 — Trump fires Yates.

Feb. 13 — Flynn is forced out of his role as NSA after The Washington Post reports on Yates's warning to the Trump White House.

Feb. 14 — In a private conversation with FBI director Comey, Trump asks Comey to end any investigation into Flynn, stating “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

March 7 — Flynn files paperwork acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent representing the interests of the Turkish government.

March 22 — Trump asks Director of National Intelligence Coats to intervene with Comey to get the FBI to back off its focus on Flynn.

March 30 — Flynn tells the FBI and congressional officials that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for immunity from prosecution, with his lawyer stating that “General Flynn has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit”.

April 25 — Flynn tells associates, “I just got a message from the president to stay strong”.

April/May — Federal prosecutors issue grand jury subpoenas to Flynn associates seeking “records, research, contracts, bank records, communications” relating to Flynn and Alptekin.

May 9 — Trump fires Comey.

May 22 — A House committee reveals that Flynn lied to Pentagon investigators about the source of money he received from RT when applying for security clearance in 2016.

Flynn announces that he will not cooperate with a subpoena requiring him to hand over documents related to his dealings with Russians.

June 2 — Special Counsel Mueller assumes control of a grand jury investigation into Flynn.

August — Flynn files paperwork disclosing payments from SCL Group, a Virginia-based company related to Cambridge Analytica.

Dec. 1 — Flynn pleads guilty to willfully and knowingly lying to the FBI about his December 2016 conversations with Kislyak.

Dec. 4, 2018 — Mueller cites Flynn's "substantial" assistance with several criminal investigations when he recommends a sentence includes little to no jail time.


The only reason why he's not serving time, I have to reason, is because he fully cooperated with the FBI and there are bigger fish to fry. This doesn't bode well for the Trump family. The only question now is Trump going to throw his own kids under the bus?

- Doc

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:33 pm
by _subgenius
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
The only reason why he's not serving time, I have to reason, is because he fully cooperated with the FBI and there are bigger fish to fry. This doesn't bode well for the Trump family. The only question now is Trump going to throw his own kids under the bus?

- Doc

what makes you believe that Flynn's "substantial assistance" was about Trump family? Aren't there many other possible big-fish players involved in this Russian Collusion investigation?
I mean, Flynn was fired for misleading the Trump family and Pence with regards to his own Russia communications, so how does that add up?
Seems to me that most, if not all, of what Mueller is indicating is that all that is being discovered is a lot of false statements, and that hardly means beans to a potential Russian Collusion prosecution.

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:38 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Instead of scrolling past the timeline you may want to read it, and then re-evaluate what you posted.

- Doc

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:56 pm
by _subgenius
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Instead of scrolling past the timeline you may want to read it, and then re-evaluate what you posted.

- Doc

There was no scroll as there was also no real indication for your conclusion(s)....other than Flynn was in Trump's orbit. Guilt by association ain't a real legal prosecution and I stand by the current assessment that a pile of false statements is all that is being revealed and there is no indication that 2016 Russian Collusion will ever be proven or prosecuted...but maybe i missed a glaring point in your summary cv for Flynn?

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:26 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
You don't really understand quid pro quo do you? There are reasons why restrictions are in place for government types when it comes to foreign influence, and there are reasons why Flynn lied on his SF 86 and government investigators. I have no idea how to talk to you. In my OP I literally stated Flynn was motivated by money. You can't use your position to enrich yourself and others. That's illegal.

eta: Also, I already put forward my take on the Trump and Associates situation, that they're motivated to use their positions to make money. <- That's illegal. I also explained what kicked off the investigations. You keep going back to collusion, which is fine, and that should be looked at, but my position is the Trump family is aiding and abetting Putin, his cronies, and the Saudis to launder money. <- That's illegal. They're attempting to set up deals that would facilitate that operation. It's what the mafia does, but on a larger scale.

- Doc

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:52 pm
by _Maksutov
Johnny Walker, Doc. Sucked his family and friends in. A POS submariner who might have tilted the balance of power if we ever came to an exchange. He was a prime subject in OpSec briefings back in my day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker

"After Walker's arrest, Caspar Weinberger, President Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Defense, concluded that the Soviet Union made significant gains in naval warfare attributable to Walker's spying. Weinberger stated that the information Walker gave Moscow allowed the Soviets "access to weapons and sensor data and naval tactics, terrorist threats, and surface, submarine, and airborne training, readiness and tactics."[5] John Lehman, United States Secretary of the Navy during the Reagan administration, stated in an interview that Walker's activities enabled the Soviets to know where U.S. submarines were at all times. Lehman said the Walker espionage would have resulted in huge loss of American lives in the event of war."

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:24 pm
by _NorthboundZax
That's quite the timeline, Doc. You've pretty much convinced me that Flynn, does indeed deserve jail time. However, since the current recommendation from Mueller of no jail time is about to the single charge of lying to the FBI over meeting with Russian contacts during the campaign, that recommendation doesn't seem unreasonable given his other cooperation. Now if the recommendation were associated with the multitude of unethical and potentially treasonous things in your time line...

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:30 pm
by _EAllusion
The sentencing guidelines on what Flynn is charged with are quite mild even before recommendation of an easy sentence based on cooperation, but Mueller has done everything he can to signal that they could've charged him with more if they wanted to. The real tell is the pages of redacted material detailing coooperation that signals that he's had a lot to share.

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:07 pm
by _subgenius
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:You don't really understand quid pro quo do you?

No, i understand it...but you showing up with a bucket of quid does not magically manifest the quo. Which is my point, you may have a good argument for suspecting quid pro quo, but you haven't any evidence for the quo....where's the quo, Doc? where's the quo?
So, while i agree that if Trump had substantial knowledge of a quid pro quo bribe being offered by Cohen with regards to a condo and Hotel construction approval, then yes that would be a crime....but how that proves anything about election collusion escapes me.
Funny thing about criminal court, it requires evidence and not just suppositions.


Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: There are reasons why restrictions are in place for government types when it comes to foreign influence,

And for private types as well...its illegal for any American to bribe a foreign official.
But all those reasons are irrelevant....having reason(s) for a stop sign at an intersection does not prove you failed to stop, even if you complained about the sign.


Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: and there are reasons why Flynn lied on his SF 86 and government investigators.

Agreed that most people do most things for reasons. Now if you have proof as to what a particular reason was for a particular action then please provide it on this thread - inasmuch as it is relevant.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: I have no idea how to talk to you. In my OP I literally stated Flynn was motivated by money. You can't use your position to enrich yourself and others. That's illegal.

I agree on all points. But there is no evidence that "This doesn't bode well for Trump family". - you are making a leap of faith.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:eta: Also, I already put forward my take on the Trump and Associates situation, that they're motivated to use their positions to make money. <- That's illegal.

If true, then yes it is (unless its a book deal of course). But your OP and subsequent speculations do not prove that "take".


Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: I also explained what kicked off the investigations. You keep going back to collusion, which is fine, and that should be looked at, but my position is the Trump family is aiding and abetting Putin, his cronies, and the Saudis to launder money. <- That's illegal. They're attempting to set up deals that would facilitate that operation. It's what the mafia does, but on a larger scale.

- Doc

But you have no proof....you sound like Kevin where if the Saud's give money to Trump he insists it is laundering and nefarious, but if the Saud's give money to Clintons, then its for charity and is honorable.
So you guys basically argue that Saud/Russian money is given to Republicans it must be a crime but if given to Democrats it must be applauded. Who knew that the Saud's/Russian's were so clever? Lets just prosecute the orange Guy who tweets mean stuff.

and kudos for the whole put collusion on the back-burner, its good to manage expectations as we approach the Mueller hour.

Re: Back to Flynn

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:36 pm
by _Kevin Graham
subgenius wrote:But you have no proof....you sound like Kevin where if the Saud's give money to Trump he insists it is laundering and nefarious, but if the Saud's give money to Clintons, then its for charity and is honorable.


You're like the dumbest damned person on the web when it comes to this stuff. When you give money to a charity, it doesn't go "to the Clintons." Especially when Hillary had no part in the Clinton foundation when she was SOS. When you put money into someone's personal bank account right after or before they do you a favor, that's something entirely different. When the person receiving the money is constantly lying about it, that proves there is something even more nefarious at work. Its like you didn't bother to read through any of the timeline above, you just immediately jumped to your idiotic go-to Brietbart rebuttal.

Stop pretending to care about what can be proven... https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... oundation/

It’s now possible to look up donation amounts on the Clinton Foundation’s website. Using Trump’s Saudi Arabia example, Saudi Arabia shows up as having given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation started. When it began in 1997, the foundation’s main goal was to build the Clinton presidential library, although it left open the option to "engage in any and all other charitable, educational and scientific activities" that nonprofits are allowed to do under federal law.

The Washington Post reported that Saudi Arabia gave about $10 million to build the library. (According to the Post, the Saudis gave a similar amount to the George H.W. Bush library.) After the library donation, the Saudis gave very little and stopped giving entirely during the time Clinton was secretary of state. She stepped down in early February 2013.

Saudi Arabia gave again in 2014, but it was a small fraction of what the Gulf State kingdom had given before. These details come from news reports, and when we brought the numbers to the foundation staff, they said they were accurate.