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ajax18 wrote:No I don't believe He gave the same gifts to all races. Otherwise people would all be the same. My point is that believing this is obvious fact is not white supremacism.

canpakes wrote:Seems that believing that is exactly white supremacism. Can you explain why it’s not?

ajax18 wrote:White supremacism carries a connotation of hatred for other races and a desire to exterminate them. In fact nearly everyone assumes this when you use the term.

Then this would be your own assumption, and not necessarily mine. However, if you assume that God bestowed special or better gifts on a favored race, then that assumes a superiority of the favored race, both in what that race now possesses that was bestowed, and from the fact of being chosen to receive them as opposed to other races not given the same, by a Creator that otherwise had the power to do so.

If you believe that's the wrong conclusion, I'd be interested in knowing why.

ajax18 wrote:Me saying white men can't jump or blacks are more prone to sickle cell anemia shouldn't automatically be proof that i hate other races and want to get rid of them. But that's the spin you're putting on this by labelling what comes down to basic observations white supremacism.

There really isn't a line that you can draw between (1) my calling your claim of 'special bestowing or gifts' to particular races by a Supreme Being as an implied supremacy, and (2) your claim that my conclusion equates to saying that you hate other races.

You're going to have to flesh that one out a bit more to make a good case.

ajax18 wrote:"That's what we do to each other in politics to make ourselves look morally superior to the other. This can cause premature and unnecessary civil war.

As opposed to a more timely and necessary civil war, I presume.

What was happening with the Unite the Right rally a few years back? How was that not an attempt by that group to make themselves look morally or even historically superior to 'the other'?


Now, I still want to know what constitutes white pride, or what is meant by celebrating white culture?

Jersey Girl wrote:ajax just building on that last exchange, there are researches who theorize that sexual orientation originates due to what is called a hormone shower in utero.

What if that is the case?

Would you feel that you might be more accepting of gays if you learned that were true?

I suppress polygamous desires for the sake of my faith and my family. Monogamy isn't really who i am or for that matter how God/evolution made me.

Not even sickle cell anemia is a "black people" thing per se. It's more prevalent in African-Americans because there's a heavy distribution of ethnic groups with a high frequency of the HbS allele in Africa where American slaves largely came from. The distribution of the HbS allele in Africa is fairly diverse and reflects geographic malaria risk:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3060623/

It doesn't follow from uneven distributions of things like the sickle cell allele among ethnic groups that racial categories loosely correlate with, that means broad racial stereotypes are hereditary.

The idea that "whites" are good at developing military superiority for hereditary reasons requires a level of ignorance of world history that is almost amazing in its totality.

Then why were the best weapons made in Europe?

It's like trying to talk to an infant.

eta: You'll notice the dozens of questions asked and ignored. He'll skim over a comment and then brap out some sort of emotive, un-thinking response, which then causes more questions to be asked which he'll then ignore while brapping out another fart-like thought. Rinse and repeat.

Talking with Trumpers is pointless.

- Doc

ajax18 wrote:Then why were the best weapons made in Europe?

Because that's not an even ballpark correct statement? Military superiority has ebbed and flowed between different groups and regions over time. Major technological innovations relevant to military technology has come from a variety of locations at different times. Guns weren't invented in Europe. My first guess as to what you could possibly mean by this obviously false assertion is that when you look at the colonial period on, European nations have usually had global military dominance relative to their peers, but that is simply cherry-picking in the context of a racial hypothesis of enduring military superiority.

Also, Europe =/= white people. Finally, and probably most importantly, it does not even begin to follow that because, for example, a Germanic culture has had military superiority this is because of biological reasons. A common theme in your posts is to simply presume some cultural fact, even a recent and ephemeral one, is because of racial destiny, but you never do any work to justify that. At best we get a argument from ignorance in the form of, "Well, why don't you explain it."

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:It's like trying to talk to an infant.

eta: You'll notice the dozens of questions asked and ignored. He'll skim over a comment and then brap out some sort of emotive, un-thinking response, which then causes more questions to be asked which he'll then ignore while brapping out another fart-like thought. Rinse and repeat.

Talking with Trumpers is pointless.

- Doc

Meme pong is their specialty.

Maksutov wrote:Meme pong is their specialty.

It is pretty effective. It got a moron elected.

- Doc

Has anyone dared to tell ajax that humanity actually evolved from the black race?

Maybe he'll go off himself.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:

Maksutov wrote:Meme pong is their specialty.

It is pretty effective. It got a moron elected.

- Doc

As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. --H. L. Mencken