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Fake is just as good?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:26 pm
by _subgenius
Since many posters brought, and imposed, a certain value and judgment to that which is "faked" for an audience under the guise of being true, I thought it appropriate to get their take on the following:
Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has denied accusations she affected her accent when talking to a predominantly black audience at a conference held by the Rev. Al Sharpton Friday.
The freshman Democrat's jarring accent was quickly criticized online by users who called the accent 'fake' and cringe-worthy. But Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez immediately hit back, defending it as authentic on Twitter.
'Folks talking about my voice can step right off,' she wrote on Twitter. 'Any kid who grew up in a distinct linguistic culture & had to learn to navigate class enviros at school/work knows what's up.
'Ain't nothing wrong with that,' the freshman Democrat drawled while speaking on Friday at Sharpton's National Action Network conference in the Sheraton Times Square in Manhattan.
'Ocasio-Cortez speaks in an accent that she never uses while telling a room of predominately black people that there is nothing wrong with them folding clothes, cooking, and driving other people around on a bus for a living
But hey, I realize real/fake is a partisan sieve for most around here...but in light of recent comments, I am curious if other posters consider this episode as indicative for all politicians? or is it just amateurish?
But please, lets just call it anything but "pandering" ok? I would hate for a iceberg of introspection to upset an otherwise wonderful winter cruise. So we can stick with code-switching because that still demonizes white people.
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:51 pm
by _Kevin Graham
You're very late to the party on this stupid non-issue. The girl is from Brooklyn. That's how she speaks, and there is nothing "fake" about it.
From March 20th:
Laura Ingraham And Guest Mock ‘Anastasio’ Ocasio-Cortez For Doing ‘The Latina Thing’‘Folks talking about my voice can step right off,’ she wrote on Twitter. ‘Any kid who grew up in a distinct linguistic culture & had to learn to navigate class enviros at school/work knows what’s up. My Spanish is the same way.’
‘As much as the right wants to distort & deflect, I am from the Bronx. I act & talk like it, *especially* when I’m fired up and especially when I’m home. It is so hurtful to see how every aspect of my life is weaponized against me, yet somehow asserted as false at the same time,’
... She was branded condescending by others, who wrote: ‘Congratulations I think your fake accent was better than Hillary’s – just a little condescending don’t you think to try immitate (sic) the way others speak?’
Another added: ‘@Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez mocks this African American audience by using an accent she thinks they ALL have. To Cortez, everything is about identity politics and every black person sounds like this. Shame.’
But others rushed to defend Ocasio-Cortez, saying: ‘I’m a Nigerian, black, educated lawyer. At any given time my accent goes every which way because how I talk w/ my parents, w/ my friends, & at work differs.
It’s a privilege/skill to even be able to codeswitch. Y’all can’t turn us against@Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Try again.’
‘isn't she from the Bronx? Please correct my if I’m wrong but her accent sounds like a New York one. If you think that's “ghetto” Mark you need to get your head out of your ass’, another added.
Several commentators referenced code-switching, alternating between languages or varieties of language in conversation.
One said: ‘People who don’t understand the concept of code-switching and how it is part of the lives of people of color need to talk to more people.’
Another added: ‘It’s hilarious that white people think this is some kind of “gotcha!” for them to use against @Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, when they don’t get that code-switching is something that virtually every professional person of color learns as a teenager. 20% of the black retail experience is specifically this.’
Hilarious that this is the crap you folks have to talk about. Trump's crapping on the Constitution, grabbing pussies and paying off porn stars, but you're more concerned that an educated minority woman is genuinely talented enough to code-switch.
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:53 pm
by _canpakes
Shorter subs:
“Only black people talk in that way, which I cannot define the style elements of, nor determine how black someone must be to be allowed to deploy such a style”
Letting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
run train on your sensibilities again, driving you into racist commentary? ; )
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:31 pm
by _subgenius
Asked about the difficulties of governing a caucus in the House that is being challenged at every turn by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and others like her -- liberals elected in the past few cycles who are deeply skeptical of the party establishment -- Pelosi said this: "While there are people who have a large number of Twitter followers, what's important is that we have large numbers of votes on the floor of the House."
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:32 pm
by _subgenius
Kevin Graham wrote:Hilarious that this is the crap you folks have to talk about. Trump's crapping on the Constitution, grabbing pussies and paying off porn stars, but you're more concerned that an educated minority woman is genuinely talented enough to code-switch.
sez the guy who didn't listen to any of the audio.
but that's cool, you angry.
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:40 pm
by _canpakes
subgenius wrote:sez the guy who didn't listen to any of the audio.
Nah. We’ve all heard the Access Hollywood tape.
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:03 pm
by _subgenius
canpakes wrote:subgenius wrote:sez the guy who didn't listen to any of the audio.
Nah. We’ve all heard the Access Hollywood tape.
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:09 am
by _moksha
Fake is just as good?
I bet this title without the question mark was originally intended as a defense of both Fox News and Trump.
Re: Fake is just as good?
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:39 am
by _subgenius
moksha wrote:Fake is just as good?
I bet this title without the question mark was originally intended as a defense of both Fox News and Trump.
it's actually the title of a pretty great album...but meh.