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Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:49 pm
by _Kevin Graham
Recently Georgia passed a law making it illegal for women to have abortions after a time when most women don't even know they're pregnant.

https://www.gafollowers.com/what-you-ne ... byvhPx3x78

And now Alabama Republicans took away the rape and incest exceptions at the last minute with no apparent vote.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alabama- ... da4e857a4a

The bill, the Human Life Protection Act, would make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion. The act would be punishable by at least 10 years in prison.

The state House passed the bill last week. The version passed in the House did not include exceptions for rape or incest, only permitting abortions if the pregnant woman’s life would be in danger.

The Senate version of the bill included an amendment with exceptions for rape and incest. Republican legislators attempted to remove those exemptions at the last minute on Thursday, which led to the abrupt postponement of the vote.

According to Senate Minority Leader Bobby Singleton (D), state Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth (R), who presides over the chamber, tried to quickly table the amendment using a voice vote.

Singleton had called for a full roll call vote on the amendment, so that it could be on the record. Singleton said that three members, which is required under the chamber’s rules, had raised their hands to sustain a motion for a roll call vote. But Ainsworth had already begun the voice vote.

After a shouting match among the lawmakers, Senate President Pro Tem Del Marsh (R) moved to table the vote until next Tuesday.

Singleton said that Ainsworth “refused to respect the Democratic side” of the chamber, and accused him of “a plot and a scheme to run over” the legislative process.

“We’re not going to stand back and just be pushed around,” Singleton told HuffPost.

Gov. Kay Ivey (R) has not made it clear whether she would sign the bill into law.

The bill’s sponsor, state Rep. Terri Collins (R), previously said the goal of the legislation is to trigger a legal challenge to Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision that ensured a woman’s right to an abortion.

The court’s conservative majority under President Donald Trump has sparked fears that the justices could overturn that decision.

Numerous states with GOP-dominated legislatures have passed abortion restrictions in recent years.

In 2019 alone, state lawmakers have introduced more than 250 abortion restriction bills so far, according to a March report from Planned Parenthood and the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive rights research organization.

However, many previous bills have been blocked by federal judges.

On Tuesday, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) signed into a law a so-called “heartbeat” abortion bill, banning abortions at around six weeks of pregnancy, when some say a fetal heartbeat can be detected — but when many women do not even know they are pregnant.

A federal judge blocked a similar bill in Kentucky earlier this year.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story stated that the bill passed the Alabama Senate. In fact, the vote was tabled and the bill is slated to receive a vote next week.

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:14 pm
by _EAllusion
So the Georgia bill charges people who travel out of state for abortions or help someone travel out of state for abortions with conspiracy to commit murder. I didn't realize that in the initial reporting. That's more extreme than pre Roe vs. Wade anti-abortion laws that existed in the window of time when they were popular.

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:21 pm
by _EAllusion
So, Roe vs. Wade is getting overturned and this recent anti-abortion laws are meant to trigger the Supreme Court case that will cause that to happen and take advantage of it the moment it does.

I can say that it's a bit surreal to me to watch a position that is considered somewhere in-between a joke and goofy minority view worth interacting with in philosophy be enforced with severe criminal penalties. It's the philosophical equivalent of climate change denialism being the official view of various government institutions.

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 1:00 pm
by _Kevin Graham
EAllusion wrote:So the Georgia bill charges people who travel out of state for abortions or help someone travel out of state for abortions with conspiracy to commit murder. I didn't realize that in the initial reporting. That's more extreme than pre Roe vs. Wade anti-abortion laws that existed in the window of time when they were popular.


So they're guilty of murder according to the State of Georgia but not the State of Tennessee?

Is there extradition between states now?

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 3:18 pm
by _Bach
Actually it’s described as “Pro Life”. But why quibble with ignorant bias.

Funny though, seems lately that the most “out of control women activists” seem to have the least likely odds of ever needing an abortion. For example, rape or otherwise, can anyone ever imagine this lovely lady ever becoming impregnated:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon ... t-unc/amp/

Thoughts?

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 3:34 pm
by _Doctor Steuss
EAllusion wrote:So the Georgia bill charges people who travel out of state for abortions or help someone travel out of state for abortions with conspiracy to commit murder. I didn't realize that in the initial reporting. That's more extreme than pre Roe vs. Wade anti-abortion laws that existed in the window of time when they were popular.

So…

An 11-year-old girl is repeatedly raped by a family member. The mother discovers this when it is found out that the daughter is pregnant. The mother, daughter, and physician decide that it would be best not only for the psychological health, but also the physical health of the girl to have the pregnancy terminated.

The mother would have to travel across state lines, and could then potentially spend more time in prison than the rapist.


(I would like to note that a family member is a psychologist that works with foster kids, and the premise of this hypothetical isn’t at all far-fetched.)

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 4:48 pm
by _Kevin Graham
Bach wrote:Funny though, seems lately that the most “out of control women activists” seem to have the least likely odds of ever needing an abortion. For example, rape or otherwise, can anyone ever imagine this lovely lady ever becoming impregnated:


Yes, and most likely by a religious minister during her pre-pubescent years.

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 5:44 pm
by _Gunnar
And to make things worse, with Trump busily doing his darnedest to stack all the Federal courts, including the supreme court, with hard right, extremist judges, who in most cases, will be entrenched in place for the rest of their lives, it will probably be at least several decades before women's reproductive rights are restored again, no matter how successful democrats and progressives are at regaining and retaining a majority in government.

And it is not only that, It would not surprise me if some of these extremist, scientifically ignorant judges would even try to argue that trying to do anything effective to address or ameliorate climate change and its consequences is somehow unconstitutional. Also, I would not put it past them to try to get away with mandating the teaching of creationism in public schools, at first alongside evolution, and eventually to the exclusion of teaching evolution. I see the USA being in danger of losing whatever scientific edge it now has and turning into a scientific, technological and economic backwater.

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 4:02 pm
by _Kevin Graham

Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 8:46 pm
by _subgenius
Gunnar wrote:And to make things worse, with Trump busily doing his darnedest to stack all the Federal courts, including the supreme court, ....

he is not trying, he is winning...check that NY court.
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