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Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:29 pm
by _aussieguy55
I saw this interesting comment about why the British have problems with Trump.

Someon asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of crap. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

‘My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:51 pm
by _Quasimodo
I was born in England and mostly raised in the US. All of that makes perfect sense to me. Summed up, the man has no class.

He is the opposite of a proper gentleman. Something that still has meaning in the UK, but sadly may have lost it's meaning here.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:46 am
by _moksha
Despite we Americans not grasping the proper gentleman bit (most of us have no clue about the desired position of the pinky finger while taking tea), the rest of the sentiments certainly rings true for Trump.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:22 am
by _Quasimodo
moksha wrote:Despite we Americans not grasping the proper gentleman bit (most of us have no clue about the desired position of the pinky finger while taking tea), the rest of the sentiments certainly rings true for Trump.


:lol: Hi Penguin! Trust me, the gentleman bit is not about pinky fingers. It's about fairness and the way to treat others (especially women). It comes from the very old days and was called chivalry then.

They are rules that a gentleman follows that are not laws, but the rules are sacrosanct to anyone who wishes to consider himself a good person. They include compassion, not taking unfair advantage of people, respecting the rights of others, respecting women, defending the downtrodden and living an honest life.

Barack Obama was (and is) a gentleman. The subsequent President is not.

My father was a true gentleman and impressed on me how important those rules are. I hope I haven't let him down.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:30 am
by _Jersey Girl
When I was in the UK last fall I took photos of the merchandise being sold in the shops that mocked Trump. It was all over the place in London. To say that they aren't favorably impressed by him would be a gross understatement of fact. Folks in London and Scotland know exactly what's going on regarding our politics and they definitely know what's up with Trump.

They think he's a clown.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:02 am
by _aussieguy55
The speaker in the House of Commons did not want Trump to address Parliament . I imagine it would be all about him.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:38 am
by _Quasimodo
Jersey Girl wrote:When I was in the UK last fall I took photos of the merchandise being sold in the shops that mocked Trump. It was all over the place in London. To say that they aren't favorably impressed by him would be a gross understatement of fact. Folks in London and Scotland know exactly what's going on regarding our politics and they definitely know what's up with Trump.

They think he's a clown.


Clowns are usually funny. As President, he is too scary to be funny. God help us.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:54 am
by _Jersey Girl
Quasimodo wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:When I was in the UK last fall I took photos of the merchandise being sold in the shops that mocked Trump. It was all over the place in London. To say that they aren't favorably impressed by him would be a gross understatement of fact. Folks in London and Scotland know exactly what's going on regarding our politics and they definitely know what's up with Trump.

They think he's a clown.


Clowns are usually funny. As President, he is too scary to be funny. God help us.


He cannot be re-elected. He just cannot.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:27 am
by _Quasimodo
Jersey Girl wrote:He cannot be re-elected. He just cannot.


From your mouth to God's ears.

Re: Trump in the UK - Success?

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:45 am
by _aussieguy55
Remember George Castanza in Seinfeld in a ill fitting dinner suit try to sell his opera ticket.