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Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:55 am
by _aussieguy55
Earlier this year a federal court ruled Alabama Republicans had improperly gerrymandered districts for the state legislature, packing black voters into a small number of districts to dilute their power elsewhere.
https://ballotpedia.org/Redistricting_in_AlabamaWhy do blacks bother to vote? And the US calls itself a democracy
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:25 am
by _Themis
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:13 am
by _MeDotOrg
People debate how the districts should be drawn. But I think a committee of retired judges, Democrats, Republicans and Independents would be more fair than 'to the victor belongs the spoils'.
Gerrymandering distorts democracy because that is its purpose.
There is a National Democratic Redistricting Pac, but I wish it was a true multi-party pac. Most Republicans don't want to straighten a playing field that favors them.
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:31 pm
by _Themis
aussieguy55 wrote:Why do blacks bother to vote?
Because their vote matters. In many areas where gerrymandering is going on it doesn't have as much weight as other voters, but it still has some. It's a sad state in that it shows how fragile democracy is when so many are willing to take away others right's to vote in order for their perceived side to win.
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:16 pm
by _Dr. Shades
aussieguy55 wrote:And the US calls itself a democracy
Is the situation better in Australia?
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:22 pm
by _MeDotOrg
I do have to say aussieguy55, you do seem to have it out for America as being a backwater. Are you saying we should treat people as the Australian Colonists did during the
Black War?
There are enough glass houses to go around.
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:51 pm
by _EAllusion
Dr. Shades wrote:aussieguy55 wrote:And the US calls itself a democracy
Is the situation better in Australia?
With respect to democratic institutions? Yes.
For instance, they rank higher than the US in the Democracy Index and constitute a full democracy whereas the US has fallen into a flawed democracy state:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_IndexBut where it gets interesting is when you just look at specific states within the US. Because of various ways the Republican party has decided to game election outcomes, it's questionable to call some areas of the country true democracies. Citizens of North Carolina, for instance, don't live in a democracy. It's more of a pseudo-democracy akin to Cuba.
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:50 am
by _aussieguy55
The districts are drawn up by an independent electoral commission. It is not always perfect but generally if a party gets 51% of the vote last time they have a two seat majority. Unlike the US and UK it is not first past the post. If for example both major parties do not get 5% they may get the second preference of another party. For example the greens usually get 10% of the vote and there second preference which is Labor goes to Labor. Likewise a small conservative parties votes would be preferences for the Liberal party. Voting is compulsory. Also there is public funding of election. Each party gets $2.76 for each vote caste for the party. So if you get 2 million you get 2 million times $2.76
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:52 am
by _SteelHead
We should use one of new districting software routines that district equally without looking at race or party.
Re: Gerrymandering in US States
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:27 pm
by _moksha
MeDotOrg wrote:Are you saying we should treat people as the Australian Colonists did during the Black War?
Or what about the way Vlad Tepes treated the opposition during his reign? Bet he would have gerrymandered too if there were any elections back then. #MAGAgerrymanding