Unbelievable Cruelty Towards Migrant Children

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Unbelievable Cruelty Towards Migrant Children

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Detained migrant children got no toothbrush, no soap, no sleep. It’s no problem, government argues.
By Meagan Flynn
June 21

The government went to federal court this week to argue that it shouldn’t be required to give detained migrant children toothbrushes, soap, towels, showers or even half a night’s sleep inside Border Patrol detention facilities.

The position bewildered a panel of three judges in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit on Tuesday, who questioned whether government lawyers sincerely believed they could describe the temporary detention facilities as “safe and sanitary” if children weren’t provided adequate toiletries and sleeping conditions. One circuit judge said it struck him as “inconceivable."

“To me it’s more like it’s within everybody’s common understanding: If you don’t have a toothbrush, if you don’t have soap, if you don’t have a blanket, it’s not safe and sanitary,” Senior U.S. Circuit Judge A. Wallace Tashima told Justice Department lawyer Sarah Fabian. “Wouldn’t everybody agree to that? Would you agree to that?”

Fabian said she thought it was fair to say “those things may be” part of the definition of safe and sanitary.

“What are you saying, ‘may be?’” Tashima shot back. “You mean, there’s circumstances when a person doesn’t need to have a toothbrush, toothpaste and soap? For days?”

The government was in court to appeal a 2017 ruling finding that child migrants and their parents were detained in dirty, crowded, bitingly cold conditions inside U.S. Customs and Border Protection facilities along the southern border. Migrants are first taken to those facilities after they are apprehended at the border.

But although the conditions that were the subject of the 2017 ruling date back to the Obama administration, the testy court exchange comes as the Trump administration confronts an unprecedented migrant surge that has overwhelmed facilities and caused serious health and safety risks within them. At least six child migrants have died since September, mostly after falling ill at detention facilities in the Rio Grande Valley. In this case, the Trump administration has continued to fight the 2017 ruling that sought to remedy deplorable conditions within these same facilities, at times blaming Congress for not providing enough resources to address the crisis.

U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee had found that migrants in Rio Grande Valley facilities were hungry, with some eating only “sandwiches of two pieces of dry bread and one slice of ham.” They were thirsty, with up to 20 migrants sharing the same cup to drink from the water cooler. They were embarrassed to use a toilet in front of 50 other people and they couldn’t take a shower or brush their teeth or even wash their hands with soap and dry them with a towel, the judge found. At night, they couldn’t sleep. The lights were left on, as they shivered beneath an aluminum blanket on the concrete floor, the judge found.

Gee ruled in June 2017 that these Obama-era conditions violated a 1997 settlement agreement requiring that immigrant children in the government’s custody be housed in “safe and sanitary” conditions, and that the government maintain “concern for the particular vulnerability of minors.”

But the Trump administration protested. The 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores Settlement Agreement, didn’t say anything about providing a “toothbrush,” “towels,” “dry clothing,” “soap,” or even “sleep,” the administration has argued.

Therefore, the government now reasons, they shouldn’t be found in violation of the “safe and sanitary” requirement for not providing those necessities.

Can anyone imagine a more ridiculous or crueler case than the Trump administration is trying to argue in this lawsuit?
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Gunnar I just quickly scanned over the report you posted. I saw on CNN earlier, a piece that covered the same issues in El Paso and also said that preteens are being forced to provide care and comfort to toddlers.

This opens the door to physical, psychological and emotional abuse of both preteens and toddlers. It's fully unconscionable and reckless.

Where's Ivanka with her fake devotion to family childcare, huh?
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I'm pretty sure that Border Patrol or the US Gov't can be charged with child abuse and neglect at this point. I don't know how one goes about doing that, but I'm sure the conditions that I've read about qualify as both abuse and neglect. If not child endangerment as well.

The toddlers (the articles didn't specify ages) have already been separated from their parents for god knows how long already. Developmentally, their attachment and bonding process has been interrupted.

I'm talking about government inflicted attachment disorders here. Bad psych stuff, folks. Really bad.
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Couldn't Trump claim that these children are enemy combatants in the war against immigrants, but due to their short stature are not covered by the Geneva Convention?
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What makes this all the more tragic is that the economic conditions and death threatening crime rates these refugees from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc. are trying to escape, were largely caused or exacerbated by the ill conceived and ineffective U.S. War on Drugs, and U.S. support of tyrannical regimes in these countries, ostensibly in the name of anti-communism, but actually to preserve the profits and monopolies of major U.S. Corporations like The United Fruit Company, who went so far as to enlist the aid of the CIA to overthrow democratically elected governments (like the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz: see [url]https://military.wikia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état[/url]), in order to install despots willing to be complicit in their ruthless exploitation of the impoverished farm workers of those countries. Previous administrations looked away from and approved these Corporate inspired shenanigans for decades. They are among the most shameful and hypocritical things our country, the supposed "champion and bastion of democracy," has ever done.

Thus the supposed crisis at our southern border is more the fault of past actions and policies of our own government than any other single cause--and not just our current government, though our current government is doing its best to further exploit and exacerbate this "crisis" for its own political ends.
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Why does the left keep calling them migrants. They are illegal immigrants! When they get to the border turn them around and send them back. That is all the taxpayer should be expected to do.
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ajax18 wrote:Why does the left keep calling them migrants. They are illegal immigrants! When they get to the border turn them around and send them back. That is all the taxpayer should be expected to do.


Because they literally are migrants? The label describes exactly what they are? Asylum seekers aren't even necessarily "illegal" in the colloquial sense you are using the term. So you are complaining that correct term is being applied to them while an incorrect one is not.

We're running concentration camps where we torment children. Your reaction to this is to complain about labeling the children "migrants" instead of "illegal immigrants." The only silver lining to this situation I can think of is that it is a heck of a litmus test to find out who the monsters in our midst are.
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Jersey Girl wrote:I'm pretty sure that Border Patrol or the US Gov't can be charged with child abuse and neglect at this point. I don't know how one goes about doing that, but I'm sure the conditions that I've read about qualify as both abuse and neglect. If not child endangerment as well.

The toddlers (the articles didn't specify ages) have already been separated from their parents for god knows how long already. Developmentally, their attachment and bonding process has been interrupted.

I'm talking about government inflicted attachment disorders here. Bad psych stuff, folks. Really bad.


They're following orders and the ultimate people responsible are immune from consequences. I think you misunderstand how systemic this is.

We're in a situation where those responsible would hang if they lost a war and have impunity so long as they do not.
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ajax18 wrote:Why does the left keep calling them migrants. They are illegal immigrants! When they get to the border turn them around and send them back. That is all the taxpayer should be expected to do.


Perhaps you are right, and intending migrants and/or asylum seekers who succeed in crossing the southern land border should immediately be pushed back into Mexico. Or intending migrants and/or asylum seekers who arrive in the US by other means, such as air travel (as many in fact do) should be immediately put on the next flight back.

But that is not actually the topic of this thread, which is how the government should treat people that it decides to detain, including children.:

The government went to federal court this week to argue that it shouldn’t be required to give detained migrant children toothbrushes, soap, towels, showers or even half a night’s sleep inside Border Patrol detention facilities.


Do you think that, when the government does decide it needs to detain migrants, it ought, while they are in government custody, to provide them with basic toiletries and the means to have a night's sleep?

Or not?
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THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS is what needs to be focused on to get rid of Trump.

Nothing else. This should be enough if we stay the course and bring attention to the public.

Here is Trump's DOJ lawyer arguing before the court that its fine to deprive children of sleep and toiletry items.

https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2019/06 ... GwFH9EceSQ
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