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Remarkable article about a man who never has had a hint of sexual scandal faithful to Michelle and a good father. He never called any opponent a loser. Fox was obsessed about him McConnell wanted to make him a one term President. Rudy G mocked his work as a "community organizer" Rudy is now on wife no 4.

Let's get things upfront:

The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump’s election is this: “We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.”

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.

While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.

He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.

Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.

He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.

His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.

He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.

Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.

All this, even as our own Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.

While Obama failed on his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, that prison’s population decreased from 242 to around 50.

He expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research, supporting groundbreaking advancement in areas like spinal injury treatment and cancer.

Credit card companies can no longer charge hidden fees or raise interest rates without advance notice.

Most years, Obama threw a 4th of July party for military families. He held babies, played games with children, served barbecue, and led the singing of “Happy Birthday” to his daughter Malia, who was born on July 4.

Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996.

Obama comforted families and communities following more than a dozen mass shootings. After Sandy Hook, he said, “The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”

Yet, he never took away anyone’s guns.

He sang Amazing Grace, spontaneously, at the altar.

He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal.

He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that’s the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more.

The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump’s election is this: “We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.”

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

during a Democratic Congress or Republican?....and Bush's stimulus plan?

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.

Oh, so for you - corporate bailout by Democrat is good but corporate bailout by Republican is bad.

While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.

Well, under Obama there was a mass election attack (50 States) by a foreign organization (arguably terrorist given the hair-fires)...but not one in 2018, hmm.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

Because no one was looking for Osama up until that point?

He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

You really want to compare how many wars Obama started and how many Trump has ended?....do ya?

He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.

even a broken clock....

He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.

where is that super facepalm gif....

Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.

and our dependence is where today?

He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.

poor helpless women, amiright?

His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.

a land grab that has since been corrected.

He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

geez

For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.

Because all those kids had jobs from that amazing private sector job growth?...or because they were economically suffering in their parents basement?

Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.

Obama does not control nation's checkbook.

All this, even as our own Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.

Oh, McConnell not having a 100% record on that is Obama's achievement?

While Obama failed on his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, that prison’s population decreased from 242 to around 50.

That has got to be impressive to the 50...and awesome that 192 terrorists were put back into the field of play.

He expanded funding for embryonic stem cell research, supporting groundbreaking advancement in areas like spinal injury treatment and cancer.

How is this not Bush's fault?

Credit card companies can no longer charge hidden fees or raise interest rates without advance notice.

wow, historical.

Most years, Obama threw a 4th of July party for military families. He held babies, played games with children, served barbecue, and led the singing of “Happy Birthday” to his daughter Malia, who was born on July 4.

Is this some sort of crack at a black man being an actual dad?...dude, this is not an President accomplishment.

Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996.

You should revisit this history.

Obama comforted families and communities following more than a dozen mass shootings. After Sandy Hook, he said, “The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”

Pandering is not an accomplishment either.

Yet, he never took away anyone’s guns.

what a guy...wanted to take them and send them to Mexico (Fast and Furious). but Holder said they had sent enough.

He sang Amazing Grace, spontaneously, at the altar.

yes, "spontaneously"....and not really a President accomplishment.

He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal.

WRONG. see above noted fast/furious
IRS targeting
Benghazi
Associated Press spying
Holder perjury
HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius
General Services Administration in 2010 held an $823,000 training conference in Las Vegas, featuring a clown and a mind readers
Veterans Affairs director Disney
Libya attack
Biden putting reporter in closet, deleting photos
Sestak
…..should we continue?

He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

Ah, and it was "controversial", even where Geir Lundestad (former secretary) admits it was a mistake and was awarded simply to boost Obama.

President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that’s the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more.

That frog is in the proverbial boiling pot of water...slowly boiled over 8 years.
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Donald Trump signs law aimed at cutting abortion funding
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Trump Negotiates Peace between North and South Korea
Trump Signs Order Calling for Work Requirements for Welfare Programs
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Trump Administration Set to Roll Back $900 Million in Obama-Era Offshore Drilling Regulations
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Trump signs $700 billion defense bill, gives troops largest pay raise in 7 years
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ICE crackdown scaring some families back to Mexico
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So basically no real accomplishments.

Kevin Graham wrote:So basically no real accomplishments.

No, Obama did ban incandescent light bulbs, which I consider to be his real-est accomplishment. It wasn't a complete failure of 8 years, but it was not good....point being Trump has accomplished more, and more substantial, in comparison to Chap's bozo fan-boy list....dude listed singing happy birthday to his own daughter.

Point being, is you're a damned idiot for regurgitating such a stupid list as if anyone other than a die-hard Trumpublican would consider half this crap "accomplishments." Doing a bunch of stupid crap doesn't make it an accomplishment. Might as well throw in "Spent $150+ million on golf trips." I mean, that's an accomplishment right? Not only is half of it his BS, you're stacking the deck with double counts. Your list mentions "cutting aid to Palestine" twice. Why the “F” is that an "accomplishment" anyway? Oh yeah, because Trump sucks at the teet of Israel. Also, "Trump Shrinks Federal Bureaucracy by 16000" and then half way down it says "Trump Shrinks Government by 16000 Jobs since elected."

I thought the point was the suffering America underwent under Obama. I find it a bit of a mystery. I did not personally experience it. My friends seemed to have escaped the pain. Maybe I listened to the wrong news but I did not hear about the suffering. I am left having no clue as to what was experienced in the country in which I live.

unless,

I do have two theories about what some people are remembering.

Fox news creates suffering in their audience.

People were embarrassed and frightened to have a black man as president and experienced daily emotional turmoil fear and loathing.

huckelberry wrote:I thought the point was the suffering America underwent under Obama. I find it a bit of a mystery. I did not personally experience it. My friends seemed to have escaped the pain. Maybe I listened to the wrong news but I did not hear about the suffering. I am left having no clue as to what was experienced in the country in which I live.

unless,

I do have two theories about what some people are remembering.

Fox news creates suffering in their audience.

People were embarrassed and frightened to have a black man as president and experienced daily emotional turmoil fear and loathing.

I came back from Brazil in early 2008 and it was stunning how many of my friends and family members were losing their jobs, their homes, etc. I remember calling my Mom one day to tell her I passed a Kroger and saw that gasoline was only $3.60 per gallon and so she should rush over there to fill up before everyone finds out. I also remember jumping on the FOX News bandwagon, believing that if Obama were elected everything would definitely get much worse. We'd have hyperinflation, $5-10 gas, 20% unemployment, stock market crash, etc.

But Obama got elected and the opposite happened. Of course through his entire 8 years, not a day went by in which the talking heads at FOX news said the economy was either pure crap, or that the numbers showing improvement in the economy were faked by the government.

The day Trump got elected suddenly the government wasn't lying anymore about unemployment.

It just goes to show that defending a Republican position requires a person to lie or be extremely irrational/ignorant.

The GOP's policies are indefensible. They don't even pretend to be conservative any more. All they do is assert nonsense like a jackhammer, a steady thumping stream of annoying noise, and the base echos it back in their mindlessly lemming way.

The only people who suffered under Obama were the people who had to listen to idiots whining irrationally about what Obama was doing merely because he's got dark skin and is not a Republican. They can lie and say it was about policy, but we all know that's BS. When Trump puts forward any of Obama's ideas as if they are his own, the base is sold.

Kevin Graham wrote:I came back from Brazil in early 2008 and it was stunning how many of my friends and family members were losing their jobs, their homes, etc. I remember calling my Mom one day to tell her I passed a Kroger and saw that gasoline was only $3.60 per gallon and so she should rush over there to fill up before everyone finds out. I also remember jumping on the FOX News bandwagon, believing that if Obama were elected everything would definitely get much worse. We'd have hyperinflation, $5-10 gas, 20% unemployment, stock market crash, etc.

But Obama got elected and the opposite happened. Of course through his entire 8 years, not a day went by in which the talking heads at FOX news said the economy was either pure ____, or that the numbers showing improvement in the economy were faked by the government.

The day Trump got elected suddenly the government wasn't lying anymore about unemployment.

As you point out there clearly was economic suffering at the beginning of Obama presidency. As you also pointed out the economic problems started before his presidency. You may be closer to more people who might claim they suffered eight years of Obama. Do you think many of them are blaming that economic pain on him? Is there a line of thought involved or a simple suffering happened at that time?

How wide would you see a socialism scare like the 50s red scares? Is the same thing going on?