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2 mass shootings in 24 hours, 4? within a week......

We are a broken lot.

Perhaps it is time to have a discussion about gun control?

SteelHead wrote:2 mass shootings in 24 hours, 4? within a week......

We are a broken lot.

Perhaps it is time to have a discussion about gun control?

way to jump to politicizing...and brilliant how you link "we are broken" to "fix it with gun control"....as if the legal access to guns is what the problem is.

Let's have a discussion about gun control but let's also research and study what drives these crazies to basically commit suicide by cop. Even so, I don't think we all need the most powerful automatic weapons in order to uphold the 2nd amendment.

Sorry subs I am not politicizing anything. When we can't go to a music venue, a community festival, or Walmart without the risk of being shot - it is time to evaluate causes and seek solutions.

I'm in El Paso this weekend. The reports of an active shooter went out during the event I am attending. This community is reeling. This type of crap needs to stop.

And by broken, how many mass shootings are going to have to happen before we as a culture decide to actually do something to remediate the problem?

I read the El Palso shooters manifesto. It’s stereotypical online alt-right beliefs. You could paraphrase 95% of what he has to say from Ajax posts. That’s not hyperbole. The key difference is that he reasons out that the best way to deter Hispanic immigration given current political reality is by creating a deterrent by subjecting them to the risk of random violence and cruelty. If enough people do this, he reasons, it fundamentally alters the risk benefit analysis of coming to the US for economic opportunities. He then reasons, correctly, that state policy does this. He then asks himself and the reader why is it ok when states use violent deterrence as a tool of social policy, but wrong when vigilantes do it?

It’s a pretty small leap from what is normal in, say, Brietbart comments sections to what he’s thinking. That’s a little unnerving. It’s to the point that his manifesto existing in those social networks is dangerous.

I'd just like to add a personal note here. Yesterday, I wrote a lengthy post about mental health and illness here in Paradise. I wrote about how we lost a family member to suicide.

One of the hospitals mentioned in the current Dayton shooting (where many of the injured were taken) is where our family member died. Gunshot wound to the head.

EAllusion wrote:He then reasons, correctly, that state policy does this. He then asks himself and the reader why is it ok when states violent deterrence as a tool of social policy, but wrong when vigilantes do it?

It’s a pretty small leap from what is normal in, say, Brietbart comments sections to what he’s thinking. That’s a little unnerving. It’s to the point that his manifesto existing in those social networks is dangerous.

This is one of the more disturbing things I've seen. His comment and question are terrifying if extrapolated to natural conclusions run amok among a population that views themselves through conflicting lenses of entitlement and oppression.

During our family experience I became friends with someone there in Dayton. We still are friends. War veteran. She's posted an image of a pile of shoes laying in the street outside of Ned Peppers's Bar there. Here's her comment:

This photo rips my heart out.
Pure terror for your life when you literally run out of your shoes.

subgenius wrote:way to jump to politicizing...and brilliant how you link "we are broken" to "fix it with gun control"....as if the legal access to guns is what the problem is.

Your post could not be a better example of ‘politicizing’.