Jersey Girl wrote:I've been chopped liver twice in this thread.
Considering the thread is 22 pages long, being called chopped liver only twice is actually pretty impressive. :)
Jersey Girl wrote:I've been chopped liver twice in this thread.
Jersey Girl wrote:
I've been chopped liver twice in this thread. Did you read the thread or did you just come in at the end?
Ceeboo wrote:Jersey Girl wrote:I've been chopped liver twice in this thread.
Considering the thread is 22 pages long, being called chopped liver only twice is actually pretty impressive. :)
Res Ipsa wrote:Hey Ceebs. Good stuff. I'm going to have to take it a topic at a time.
Until the reformation, Christians were Catholics, and Catholics did not, and still do not, subscribe to "faith alone." Faith is sufficient to place on in a state of grace. Committing a "moral sin" as opposed to a "venial sin" takes one out of the state of grace. If one dies out of a state of grace, one goes to hell. However, going to confessional permits the state of grace to be restored. So, getting to heaven takes either 1) don't commit a mortal sin (and mortal sins can be much less serious than the label implies) or 2) Confess and repent through the ritual of the confessional.
Regardless of the labels we use, salvation or justification or anything else, what I'm talking about is getting to heaven. If "salvation" just means forgiveness of sins, then I won't use it as a substitute for "getting to heaven."
Jersey Girl wrote:
Least nobody called me a clown.
Ceeboo wrote:
Yeah, this would take another 32 page thread. In short (if we shelve the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church and the Coptic Catholic Church) we are left with the Roman Catholic Church (Catholic meaning universal) The RC Church began adding many man mad things to Christianity (moving away from biblical Christianity) starting in the 300's and have continued adding/changing ever since (Popes, vestments, celibate priests, nuns - then over time, added things like purgatory, indulgences, Immaculate conception, delivering grace in chunks to their fold, etc)
Ceeboo wrote:Understood. My hope is to not argue - rather, my hope is to simply suggest the following: If Christianity is not true, it's completely meaningless (Considering who Jesus claimed he was (God)) I reject the idea that Jesus was merely a good teacher or a decent man or a pleasant fellow who had good ideas. (I personally find these things to be preposterous - Given the claims made) - And if Jesus is who he claimed to be (God entering his very creation) then I can't think of anything that could be more important.
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