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Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:47 am
by _MeDotOrg
When it was revealed that Lewandowski had lied to the media about whether Trump had asked him to get involved with trying to talk with Jeff Sessions, Cory Lewandowski gave an answer that would should be Cory's words to live by:
I have no obligation to be honest with the media because they are just as dishonest as anybody else.
So let's take a step back and take a look at where we are: It is okay to lie to the media. Corey feels no obligation to tell the truth. Think about the implications of what Lewandowski said:
1. His "obligation" to be honest is predicated on his perception of the media. He feels no personal obligation to be honest for the sake of being honest.
2. Do you believe the reason Lewandowski lied is because he thinks the media lied? Or is the reason that he simply did not want to tell the truth, because the truth would have made the President uncomfortable?
3. If Lewandowski feels that he has no obligation to tell the truth to the media, does he not understand that he is then lying to the American People? Does he not understand that lying to the media is lying to the American People? How do we trust any statement he makes to the media?
Again we return to Res Ipsa's tag line, which becomes more important as the thinking behind the Trump administration reveals itself:
Helen Arendt wrote:The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”
If someone would like to defend the idea that a person has no obligation to tell the truth when talking with the American People, I'm all ears...
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:02 am
by _ldsfaqs
My take on it is that he's an ethical person but not wanting to cast his pearls before swine.
In other words, he's fully aware of their corrupt lying game against the President and the Right in general, so he has no interest in participating in it, giving them ammo to then abuse it toward the President as they do with EVERYTHING. Leftist media corrupts the most simple of things, be it Sharpy's, an MLK Bust in the White House, or literally 1,000's of other examples.
So, from my and the Rights perspective, Leftists lie almost every time they open their mouths, especially when it concerns the Right, so from our perspective, a little rare lie to such people to essentially say "piss off" to them, is not a big deal.
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:10 am
by _Res Ipsa
ldsfaqs wrote:My take on it is that he's an ethical person but not wanting to cast his pearls before swine.
In other words, he's fully aware of their corrupt lying game against the President and the Right in general, so he has no interest in participating in it, giving them ammo to then abuse it toward the President as they do with EVERYTHING. Leftist media corrupts the most simple of things, be it Sharpy's, an Martin Luther King Bust in the White House, or literally 1,000's of other examples.
So, from my and the Rights perspective, Leftists lie almost every time they open their mouths, especially when it concerns the Right, so from our perspective, a little rare lie to such people to essentially say "piss off" to them, is not a big deal.
QED
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:34 am
by _canpakes
ldsfaqs wrote:My take on it is that he's an ethical person but not wanting to cast his pearls before swine.
In other words, he's fully aware of their corrupt lying game against the President and the Right in general, so he has no interest in participating in it, giving them ammo to then abuse it toward the President as they do with EVERYTHING. Leftist media corrupts the most simple of things, be it Sharpy's, an MLK Bust in the White House, or literally 1,000's of other examples.
So, from my and the Rights perspective, Leftists lie almost every time they open their mouths, especially when it concerns the Right, so from our perspective, a little rare lie to such people to essentially say "piss off" to them, is not a big deal.
Shorter faqs:
“You disagree with me and point out my lying; that makes me mad and gives me license to lie to you”.
Same day, same faqsian excuse.
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:30 pm
by _EAllusion
ldsfaqs wrote:My take on it is that he's an ethical person but not wanting to cast his pearls before swine.
In other words, he's fully aware of their corrupt lying game against the President and the Right in general, so he has no interest in participating in it, giving them ammo to then abuse it toward the President as they do with EVERYTHING. Leftist media corrupts the most simple of things, be it Sharpy's, an Martin Luther King Bust in the White House, or literally 1,000's of other examples.
So, from my and the Rights perspective, Leftists lie almost every time they open their mouths, especially when it concerns the Right, so from our perspective, a little rare lie to such people to essentially say "piss off" to them, is not a big deal.
"A mixture of gullibility and cynicism had been an outstanding characteristic of mob mentality before it became an everyday phenomenon of masses. In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, that everything was possible and that nothing was true. The mixture in itself was remarkable enough, because it spelled the end of the illusion that gullibility was a weakness of unsuspecting primitive souls and cynicism the vice of superior and refined minds. Mass Propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness."
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:31 pm
by _honorentheos
So...Lewandowski lied to Congress about unethical behavior on the part of the President to keep from giving them and the media ammo to use against the President because he's an ethical guy. Got it.
That said, this was another strike against the House being able to successfully hold impeachment proceedings against Trump. Combined with the Mueller testimonies I think it's pretty clear it would be disastrous.
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:33 pm
by _honorentheos
faqs, do you realize you just stated your ethics is based on party allegiance? That you determine right and wrong in the most broken, unethical manner imaginable that has been behind some of the greatest atrocities of the last century?
You are a terrible person by this admission.
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:33 pm
by _ldsfaqs
honorentheos wrote:So...Lewandowski lied to Congress about unethical behavior on the part of the President to keep from giving them and the media ammo to use against the President because he's an ethical guy. Got it.
That said, this was another strike against the House being able to successfully hold impeachment proceedings against Trump. Combined with the Mueller testimonies I think it's pretty clear it would be disastrous.
It makes me laugh how leftists open their mouths on things they know nothing about.
Lewandowski lied to the MEDIA on a particular question of theirs in relation to Trump and their conversations. He hasn't lied to Congress...
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:39 pm
by _ldsfaqs
honorentheos wrote:faqs, do you realize you just stated your ethics is based on party allegiance? That you determine right and wrong in the most broken, unethical manner imaginable that has been behind some of the greatest atrocities of the last century?
You are a terrible person by this admission.
Nope, not at all what "I" stated. First I never said anything about "Me". I simply stated what
he did and why. So, it would be nice if you people stopped LYING about me and others.
Second, every time you open your mouths you're lying, especially if talking about us,
like YOU JUST DID TO ME! So, a good person sometimes choosing not to cast their pearls before swine is NOT some "evil", it is simply not willing to give you the time of day.
I'll take good people sometimes being strategic with the truth as might be necessary in extreme situations such as you all's insanity these days about Trump and the Right, compared to you who lie in your every word and belief. I have absolutely no qualms about that, especially if it's NOT some "evil" that's not being told. I'm saying ZERO about not being truthful in relation to wrongs, I'm talking about in the good, sometimes having to engage in a white lie.
Re: Lewandowski, the media, and the truth
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:40 pm
by _honorentheos
You are a terrible human being. Your lack of sound ethics makes you the tool of despots and tyrants. That's all there is to say about it.