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Regarding the handling of the latest whistleblower complaint, it seems to me that ultimately Attorney General Barr should be facing jail time for his handling of it (subverting the law to protect Trump). This should also be one more item on the Trump bill of impeachment.

Whatever it is that Barr is sitting on must be a doozie for Barr to so flagrantly break the law.

Yes, ignore the whole Biden threats to keep his son's corrupt company safe and focus on the fact that there was no quid-pro-quo from Trump.
Are you really not paying any attention?

#2020willmakeyousosad

I guess you've given up on the whole Russian collusion as an avenue to overturn the 2016 election at this point?

I'm sorry your hopes of inflicting pain upon working people's paychecks and giving it to those who won't work has been pushed back. The numbers are on your side though. It just might take a little longer than you hoped. Until then, why not do as I did at the interstate entrance stoplight yesterday. The bum approached me and I handed him a business card to the Randstadt temp agency.

subgenius wrote:Yes, ignore the whole Biden threats to keep his son's corrupt company safe and focus on the fact that there was no quid-pro-quo from Trump.
Are you really not paying any attention?

#2020willmakeyousosad

Why wasn't Biden investigated by the Republican-held Congress?

- Doc

The real problem with holding Trump accountable is that his supporters are religious zealots (i. e. not that bright and willing to believe damned anything). When your brain has been infected with nonsense, Trump seems like a good idea. You might even think god sent him.

Which implies you have no integrity because you don't really know what it means. In fact, you can't even imagine having integrity, because the concept of living an honest life is the stuff of fairy tales in your addled world view. Religion is a morality costume you wear thinking people can't see through it, a delusional shortcut to respectability, but you don't really believe in it. How could you, when you live such a dishonest life?

Since supporting Trump requires dishonesty, only the idiotically religious can really pull it off. And since there are so many of them in this country, we have to wait for the asshole to die, which won't be the punishment he deserves, but it will be the relief America needs.

It's like America crap it's pants, and half the country enjoys the warmth so much they can't even smell it anymore.

The real problem with holding Trump accountable is that his supporters are religious zealots (i. e. not that bright and willing to believe ____ anything).

The real problem for you with Trump is that he won and now you can't find a way to undo it.

Donald Trump has tapped into something that made him trounce the old guard in the Republican party. Many people see some wisdom in the age old standard of having a national border and enforcing it. There hasn't been a politician in 70 years who even considered enforcing the border. Everyone thought doing so was a political death sentence. The left could just call you racist and you'd be done, no superpac, no campaign money, just political death. Even Republicans contend that running a huge trade imbalance with China is the beauty of free market capitalism. Then this guy comes and campaigns on the idea of economic nationalism and leveling the playing field with China. Surely he'll be trounced in the primaries right? Nope, people have a common sense understanding that if you're just buying and not producing, you'll eventually have nothing.

The cudgel of racism couldn't beat the arguments of economic nationalism. It didn't win you the 2016 election and I'm not sure your party understands that. They're likely to lose in 2020 again. You need to come up with something better than saying putting America first is racism.

subgenius wrote:Yes, ignore the whole Biden threats to keep his son's corrupt company safe and focus on the fact that there was no quid-pro-quo from Trump.
Are you really not paying any attention?

#2020willmakeyousosad

Do you honestly believe this is the narrative? Given there was a coalition of western nations calling for the removal of Viktor Shokin as Prosecutor General, and his removal was directly tied to the role he was playing in NOT prosecuting the kind of crimes alleged against Berisma, the company that had hired Hunter Biden as a consultant among other consultants? The idea Joe Biden was trying to get the guy out who was investigating the firm Hunter had been hired at to protect Hunter Biden or aid his client is simply stupid. Shokin staying on a PG would have been the best means of accomplishing that aim if that were Joe Biden's aim. The entire argument is just straight up damned dumb.

Here's an article from the time that might help show this was about removing a bad prosecutor hamstringing Ukrainian efforts to reform at a time the US was trying to win over the Ukraine from Russian influence.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.2591190

moksha wrote:Regarding the handling of the latest whistleblower complaint, it seems to me that ultimately Attorney General Barr should be facing jail time for his handling of it (subverting the law to protect Trump). This should also be one more item on the Trump bill of impeachment.

Whatever it is that Barr is sitting on must be a doozie for Barr to so flagrantly break the law.

I do want to add I don't agree with the OP. Due process is a principle on which our Republic lives or dies. Should there be an investigation? Sure. It sounds like something like that is underway. But it's not appropriate to say Barr should face jail time because of allegations and rumors.

honorentheos wrote:But it's not appropriate to say Barr should face jail time because of allegations and rumors.

Not letting the Acting Director of National Intelligence and the Inspector General perform their duties, as required by statute, of informing the Senate and House Intelligence Committees of credible and urgent information places Barr in the position of a lawbreaker.

How much leeway should Attorney General Barr be given in hiding such information? His job is not to be a criminal defense attorney fixer for Trump.

Penguin, you've already convicted and want judgement when the investigation is just beginning. Being the mirrored image of a Neocon Benghazi "locker her up" -type is a bad look.

It also has the disadvantage of being fatal to the Republic if that becomes the norm. I agree it looks bad and needs investigating. But it's just getting started and we're learning more every day. I suggest it is prudent to back off on saying he needs jail time out of the gate because locking up political foes because they are foes and can be accused of doing bad things is what tyrants and despots do.