Impeachment hearings

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Re: Impeachment hearings

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Markk wrote:Why do you believe there is not enough evidence here (and this is just a small part of it), to warrant an investigation and raise concern?


Because it would be hugely in Trump's electoral interest to get the Bidens investigated, if he could.

And he has the power to order the DoJ to investigate the Bidens - assuming that there is enough evidence on which an investigation could be based.

But he has not done so.

So it looks like Trump simply doesn't have enough evidence to get an investigation launched.
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Re: Impeachment hearings

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Markk wrote:I actually m not ignoring any evidences, there are two sides to Shokin's account...which I touched on up thread, and please watch the video below. Again to my point, was and is there enough evidence to warrant an investigation. Shokin claims he was let go because he wanted to look into the Biden's, and that he was told to stand down on his investigating them, again, the other side of the story that you are not dealing with. I Understand you side of the story, which is basically that people said he was not investigating corruption, yet the fact that they seized Zlochevsky's property contradicts that, and it is fact that as GP, Shoklin was behind seizing his assets. So again, two sides of the coin that warrant an investigation. All this ties to Hunter, Archer, Heinz, (and even Kerry as SoS, if we go back further) and Joe. Was Joe connected with their getting hired, it appears he was, their is evidence that compliments this possibility? Was he just trying to protect his son by getting Shokin fired (not to mention approving the new CP), maybe? Again it boils down to whether or not there is enough evidence of impropriety at the least, or flat out corruption at the worse. This is what you are ducking. There is also a pattern with Joe and Hunter in other countries, which we have not even touched on, and if I get the time I will start a thread on Joe, Hunter, and China, and show you a clear pattern, that again adds for warranting an investigation. It is not only the Ukraine that begs an investigation of Hunter and his dealing while his father was VP. There is 100% no doubt of a clear and damaging conflict of interest between Joe, Hunter, and by default Rosemont LLC and other LLC's. Back to Shokin...Biden approved hiring Shokin in the first place, and Shokin's claim is that after he seized the assets of Mykola Zlochevsky in 2016 (remember Hunter/Archer were hired by Zlochevsky in 2014) then President Poroshenko called Shokin in and told him “Don’t you understand what Biden wants from you? Why are you getting into this Burisma stuff again?” It is interesting to note that Shoklin also said of Biden “[Biden]believed that Ukraine was his private property, his fiefdom and that he could do whatever he wanted here.” , which compliments his cocky-ness in bragging about his Quid pro quo, which you now admit happened. Listen to Shoklin's side of the story here. Also, note that once Zlochevsky's assets were seized, Hunter, Zlochevsky's employee, used his connections to help Burisma hire John Buretta, a former Obama DOJ lawyer. Also...Just is the past few days, the Ukrainian Government have opened up the Shokin/Biden "affair"...so this is not over at all. The DOJ is receiving information on this, and two senators, Republican Sens. Chuck Grassley (Iowa) and Ron Johnson (Wis.), are looking into improprieties with Hunter and his father also. Why do you believe there is not enough evidence here (and this is just a small part of it), to warrant an investigation and raise concern?


Soooo much text, and still no factual connection or actual data point that speaks to any alleged profiteering by Burisma from the aid package, or any supposed ill-gotten gains by any Biden.

And still no answer from you as to why Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to investigate - as if the answer isn’t already plainly obvious.

And now you’re asking us to believe the actual corrupt fellow that half the world believed should have been kicked off the job. And even he can’t offer any actual evidence of alleged wrongdoing.

I think that I see a pattern developing. You were suckered into buying this book by the con man who wrote it, because you want to believe a thing, rather than rely on what the facts tell you. This is not too different from how you’ll be voting in November - for another con man who has hired actual convicts and corrupt swamp denizens, is a serial philanderer, has been a shoddy businessman, has cheated contractors such as yourself, has bilked thousands of people through sham ‘universities’ and crappy products, has weakened our security and plunged our nation deeper in debt, and who is a fake Christian, pretending to be ‘one of you’ - because you want to believe that, as opposed to what the facts tell you.

Again, PT Barnum comes to mind.
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Chap wrote:
Because it would be hugely in Trump's electoral interest to get the Bidens investigated, if he could.

And he has the power to order the DoJ to investigate the Bidens - assuming that there is enough evidence on which an investigation could be based.

But he has not done so.

So it looks like Trump simply doesn't have enough evidence to get an investigation launched.


That is all speculation...period. The evidences with Hunter are factual, and if there is enough factual evidence to warrant an investigation, then your speculation is worthless information.

And your answer does not address at all the factual evidences that the VP's son was employed by a very corrupt employer and person, and was overpaid by his company. How does speculation of motive, based on conflicting testimony , negate Hunter's factual and verifiable actions?
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Markk wrote: The evidences with Hunter are factual, and if there is enough factual evidence to warrant an investigation...

... Hunter's factual and verifiable actions?


Why didn’t Trump have the DoJ investigate the Bidens? Or the State department?

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Chap wrote:
Because it would be hugely in Trump's electoral interest to get the Bidens investigated, if he could.

And he has the power to order the DoJ to investigate the Bidens - assuming that there is enough evidence on which an investigation could be based.

But he has not done so.

So it looks like Trump simply doesn't have enough evidence to get an investigation launched.



Markk wrote:That is all speculation...period.


Nope. It's hard logic.

Markk wrote: [Markk believes that] the evidences with Hunter are factual ..


Fixed that for you.

You have been splurging links and videos all over this thread, and demanding that all of us take hours out of our busy lives to read and evaluate them. You promise us that if only we shall do so, we shall be convinced. So we naturally ask "Is this likely to be worth the effort'? How can we make that judgement? Certainly not by saying "Well, if Markk is convinced, then it must be true", which is in effect what you think we should say.

Here's how a reasonable person can decide. We pick a very powerful individual whose personal interests would be hugely boosted by an investigation into the Bidens that pointed clearly to corruption, and who has access to information and investigative powers that you and I can only dream of: Donald Trump.

If that person does not use his powers to get the Bidens investigated, then it is clear that the evidence against them is not sufficient to justify that course of action.

Now Trump has NOT ordered an investigation into the Bidens.

Therefore the evidence available to him, the most powerful and potentially best-informed person in the US, is not sufficient to launch an investigation.

The fact that Markk thinks the evidence is sufficient is not enough to persuade me to follow him down the rabbit-hole. When Trump launches an investigation, I'll take notice.
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Chap,

Well, I can only assume you have followed the story, both sides. From the articles of impeachment, the whistle blower complaint, along with both the impeachment trial and the senates trials. There are countless news article and news stories on this, again i assume that folks here followed. The Biden's were in the center of all this and key, as stated in article 1(A), and mentioned over 400 times in the impeachment trial.

Starting slowly...

Hunter was employed by Burisma, and he (and Archer) received at least 83K a month salary. Burisma was and is owned by a known corrupt Ukrainian politician/businessman/"mobster," who has since fled the country to avoid prosecution. Hunter was given this job, by Zlochevsky, while his father was VP in charge of dispersing billions in aid to the Ukraine.

Have you followed the impeachment enough, that you can agree to this all being factual?

Please listen to this from the trial...it will only take less that 5 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-B31pwpq8c
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Markk wrote:... and was overpaid by his company.


Can Markk the Socialist provide the criteria for determining what constitutes the correct pay for board members? Asking for a friend.

(It’s a good thing that you haven’t noticed the 135 million dollars that the taxpayers have overpaid to Trump properties for ‘Presidential’ visits and golfing!)
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Markk wrote:Chap,

Well, I can only assume you have followed the story, both sides. From the articles of impeachment, the whistle blower complaint, along with both the impeachment trial and the senates trials. There are countless news article and news stories on this, again i assume that folks here followed. The Biden's were in the center of all this and key, as stated in article 1(A), and mentioned over 400 times in the impeachment trial.


Nope.

As I made clear in my post, given the fact that the President, who has the power to start an investigation of the Bidens, and who has every reason for wanting to do so, HAS NOT DONE SO, why do I have to spend a large share of my time and energy following you down your rabbit hole?

Just because you say I should? But who the heck are you?
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Re: Impeachment hearings

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Just checking in again to see if Markk is willing to give an answer as to what salary limit is the hard line at which Hunter Biden moves from ‘legitimate’ to ‘corrupt’ employee, by his calculations.

But I’m thinking that Markk’s not going to be able to answer that question, either, because Biden’s level of pay really isn’t an issue for him; he’d call the arrangement ‘corrupt’ no matter the pay.

And, there’s no data or factoids presented showing that Burisma received any cash or benefit from the US aid package. But that doesn’t seem to matter to Markk, either. Who needs facts when you’re making up a conspiracy theory? ; )
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canpakes wrote:Just checking in again to see if Markk is willing to give an answer as to what salary limit is the hard line at which Hunter Biden moves from ‘legitimate’ to ‘corrupt’ employee, by his calculations.

But I’m thinking that Markk’s not going to be able to answer that question, either, because Biden’s level of pay really isn’t an issue for him; he’d call the arrangement ‘corrupt’ no matter the pay.

And, there’s no data or factoids presented showing that Burisma received any cash or benefit from the US aid package. But that doesn’t seem to matter to Markk, either. Who needs facts when you’re making up a conspiracy theory? ; )

So, lets first assume that the issue for "corruption" isnt quantifiable by salary amount but rather by alarming lack of qualifications sans one glaring political association.
But if there is no data then Old Testament must not have happened - correct? Lets come back to that notion when another topicpresents similar circumstance...mmmk?
So, the question emerges from your reasoning is a somple one...if Burisma received "nothing" then what is the justification for Hunter's employment? Or is this just corporate negligence coincidental with Hunter being just one heckuva interviewee?
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