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Okay then, here's the tl;dr (too long, didn't read) part first: Does anybody really know what time it is, some of us who don't, rely on other methods.

So, I don't begrudge anyone the right to their opinion. Talking politics is what we do. But, do any of us really know wtf we're talking about. I'm thinking of Leonard down at the Home depot, who for some reason is working as a lumber loader even though he apparently knows every thing there is to know about house building. Anyway, I tend to think that education and qualifications count... I guess, cause, I mean, put ten guys with PhD's in economics, etc. in a room, ask them what happens if one sticks his finger in the machine here... or there, and you're gonna get ten different opinions and an eyebrow fight. Couple that with partisan politics, corruption, Russian troll farms, media bias, and you get things like flat-earthers and con-trail conspiracies.
So, for those of us who don't feel like we have enough unadulterated data to make an informed decision, we have to rely on less scientific methods. You know, what most of us are qualified to do. Rely on our instincts. Like, what the person looks like, is their wife a companion or a trophy, are their appointees qualified and competent or sycophants, are they basically illiterate, do they make up playground baby names for people they don't like, have they been designated a "F----ing moron" by Rex T. and later General Kelly.
So, here's a question; is/was the economy booming because of D.T. or in spite of him. I haven't a clue. But what I do know is, the last person I want sticking his finger in the machine is F---face von Clownstick.

You remember the news conference where Trump is asked what the metrics will be for re-opening the country? He pointed to his head and said "It's all in here". I'm guessing that didn't fill you with confidence.

I was thinking about how people say that Trump lacks compassion and empathy. But a Global Pandemic amplifies what the lack of compassion and empathy have already shown: Trump doesn't understand other people's suffering.

Think of Trump's comment about P.O.W. John McCain: "I like guys who don't get caught".

Ivanka Trump remembered her father passing a homeless man and saying ‘You know, that guy has $8 billion more than me.' because he was in such extreme debt at that point. But I think it shows how Trump elevates his problems above the problems of anyone else. His narcissism makes the suffering of others difficult for him to comprehend.

Our nation is in for a period of suffering, both socially and economically. We are in for a hard winter. A strong leader would level with the American people, and challenge them to rise to the occasion. But Trump is thinking "Why does this happen to me? First I'm impeached, and then this damn virus comes along and destroys the economy. I've got to get the economy back, because that's my big card, and I can't afford to lose this hand."

On Friday I watched the President on the White House lawn, telling the assembled press that the truckers that were honking were honking in support of him. Denial is second nature to our President. This summer and fall, as the death toll rises by tens of thousands, it will more important to the President to assign blame rather than comfort a nation.

I can't for the life of me figure out why so many will die on the hill of Trump as their champion when there is an unlimited supply of people who could fill his shoes with the same political agenda...who aren't clinically bananas.

So, here's a question; is/was the economy booming because of D.T. or in spite of him

I think you know enough to realize you're never going to get a nonpartisan answer to that question.

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 18, 2020 7:23 pm

So, here's a question; is/was the economy booming because of D.T. or in spite of him

I think you know enough to realize you're never going to get a nonpartisan answer to that question.

Oh. Aren't there, like, graphs and things?

I mean, surely the idea of 'the economy booming' must refer to something objective like gross domestic product, employment, or whatever? It's not just some kind of 'Gee! I sure feel like the economy is booming!' kind of thing, is it?

Or do the graphs and things point the opposite way to how you feel, so you know they must be wrong?

Chap wrote: ↑

Mon May 18, 2020 8:52 pm

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Mon May 18, 2020 7:23 pm

I think you know enough to realize you're never going to get a nonpartisan answer to that question.

Oh. Aren't there, like, graphs and things?

If there's one thing we've learned about Trump and his lemmings, it's that because they are so selfish, cynical, corrupt, and stupid, all wrapped up in a single package, they aren't objective enough to understand that there are people in the world not like them. That's why they project their own garbage, paranoia and selfishness on everyone else. They aren't wise enough to understand that most people aren't as crappy as they are. They can't even believe it, they suck that much.

Here's one from the other day - that bought me a couple of un-friendings.

I believe most of my friends on here are aware of my feelings on Trump. But, I think maybe some don't realize my default mode tends to lean conservative, like you, in a lot of things. Like, say, transgenders getting their feelings hurt, flag kneel-ers, coddling the indigent, cops getting a raw deal. I really don't like the current push to vilify the law enforcement community and find it hard to believe that there is the level of systemic racism in the hierarchy of the lawmen - as insisted on by the left.

But then... I remember that a consistent thirty-some % of Americans support our idiot supreme racist-in-chief, and so I think, well, I guess it must follow then that thirty-some % of law officers are Trumpers. It appears I may need another world view.

I guess it must follow then that thirty-some % of law officers are Trumpers. It appears I may need another world view.

Probably more than that. Ask sherriff David Clark of Milwaukee or Dan Bongino what they think of the anti law enforcement movement. You'll find a lot of people on the left griping about law enforcement. But you won't find them signing up to do the job.

Dantana political science isn't among the physical and mathematical sciences. It's completely subjective. Most of the studies are paid for and done by people who already have the conclusion in mind and paying researchers to find facts that reinforce those biases not contradict them.

Donald Trump is overwhelmingly popular among law enforcement and polls of police officers show support of far right political views is quite common. Police departments attract that support of person and they drive a culture that inculcates those who otherwise would be apolitical or more moderate if not for the surrounding influence.

EAllusion wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:03 am

Donald Trump is overwhelmingly popular among law enforcement and polls of police officers show support of far right political views is quite common.

If that's true, it's little wonder why we need police reform in this country. You can't be a fan of Trump and the law at the same time.