BLM protest in London?

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BLM protest in London?

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Delingpole: One Rule for Peaceful Lockdown Protestors – Another for Black Lives Matter

Why is it a bad thing to protest against the British government’s legally, morally and scientifically dubious decision to put almost the entire country under house arrest?

And why is it an acceptable thing to gather in a large, menacing crowd outside Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s official residence in Downing Street, chanting ‘“F” the police’?

These are questions I’d very much like to hear answered both by the head of the Metropolitan Police Cressida Dick and also by her ultimate boss, Home Secretary Priti Patel.

A couple of weekends ago, you’ll remember, I got threatened by a policeman with a fine, and with arrest, simply for the crime of attending a small, peaceful, anti-lockdown protest in London’s Hyde Park. The police came in mob handed: there were almost as many coppers as there were protestors. There were also a number of arrests for offences as trivial as holding a banner. The same happened again this weekend, with peaceful protestors loaded into police vans at Hyde Park’s Speaker’s Corner.

Yesterday, a group of hard-left agitators claiming to represent Black Lives Matter, some of them waving Antifa flags, have gathered in central London for a much more questionable cause. Sure, they’re pretending to be righteously upset about the death of George Floyd – but this is a pretty pathetic excuse, given that obviously the British government is not remotely responsible for the actions of the Minneapolis police department. In reality, this is the usual hard-left suspects doing their damnedest to destabilise UK democracy at a time when it is already being heavily frayed by the ongoing lockdown. Yet the police appear to be doing almost nothing to stop them.

What kind of message do we think this sends out to the nation?

Something like: “If you want to complain about dubious government policy which is destroying millions of jobs, thousands of businesses, stealing people’s freedoms and condemning thousands of people to unnecessary deaths from everything from suicide to untreated illnesses then the might of the law will be unleashed to crush and silence you. But if you want to overthrow democracy, just go right ahead.”

Home Secretary Priti Patel needs to get a grip. Metropolitan Police boss Cressida Dick needs reminding that her job is to protect the innocent, not encourage leftist anarchism.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/0 ... ifa-thugs/

Does police brutality exist in Africa when the police officers are all black?

I've never been the victim of police brutality? Do you know why? It's not because I'm white and it's not because there isn't unfairness in the law. It's because when the officer says get down on the ground or put your hands where I can see them, I do what he says and save my arguments for the courtroom. Then I complain about it here:) And even when all that falls upon deaf ears, I only fight when I know have a reasonable chance of winning.
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:12 pm
I've never been the victim of police brutality? Do you know why? It's not because I'm white and it's not because there isn't unfairness in the law. It's because when the officer says get down on the ground or put your hands where I can see them, I do what he says and save my arguments for the courtroom.
You may have told more than you intended here.
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I saw a white guy who was totally complying get shot to death.

- Doc
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Morley wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:01 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:12 pm
I've never been the victim of police brutality? Do you know why? It's not because I'm white and it's not because there isn't unfairness in the law. It's because when the officer says get down on the ground or put your hands where I can see them, I do what he says and save my arguments for the courtroom.
You may have told more than you intended here.
I can think of two conclusions off the top of my head that we could draw from his post:

- He's a chronic malcontent, posting from prison, regularly getting arrested and having the process down. After all, he does fit the prison bitch archetype.
- He's a damned white guy who's never been in a confrontation with the police in his life, and is only telling us in his typical fun-house-distorted way about the handful of times he got stopped for speeding and nothing happened, as though it's germane to the conversation, because he's the kind of damned white guy who can't objectively imagine what it's like to not be a damned white guy, because it would hurt too much to try. It's easier to just whine about anyone who's not a damned white guy because his life sucks and he wants to channel the blame somewhere rather than take responsibility for himself.
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Delingpole: One Rule for Peaceful Lockdown Protestors – Another for Black Lives Matter
Why is it a bad thing to protest against the British government’s legally, morally and scientifically dubious decision to put almost the entire country under house arrest?

And why is it an acceptable thing to gather in a large, menacing crowd outside Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s official residence in Downing Street, chanting ‘____ the police’?

These are questions I’d very much like to hear answered both by the head of the Metropolitan Police Cressida Dick and also by her ultimate boss, Home Secretary Priti Patel.
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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/0 ... ifa-thugs/

Trust me on this one. The great majority of the UK population are still (despite the efforts made by a markedly talentless government to lose their confidence and respect) doing their best to observe the precautions they believe to be in the interests of everybody.

Mr Delingpole is not a representative sample, to say the least.

Oh, and they were disgusted by what they saw of the spectacle of Mr Floyd's murder, and say to themselves 'Well, our police are far from perfect, but at least they aren't that bad.' So when black people demonstrate in London, they do, on the whole, sympathise with the feelings that drive them to it.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:50 pm
I saw a white guy who was totally complying get shot to death.

- Doc
How many? I'll still bet that I never run into that even with my extremist views.
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George Floyd didn't resist arrest. The video footage shows this.
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I saw a white guy who was totally complying get shot to death.

- Doc
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How many? I'll still bet that I never run into that even with my extremist views.
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I SAW A GUY. HOW MANY DO YOU THINK THAT IS YOU UTTERLY DAFT POTATO?

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Police sometimes engage in abuse of citizens even when they are complying. Sometimes they engage in abuse of citizens when they aren't complying, but the failure to comply is a result of confusing or frightening demands from police.

The murder of Daniel Shaver is a good example of that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/na ... video.html

I personally know someone who was exiting a bar just as police arrived for an unrelated call for a bar fight. Police shouted "Turn around!" to him. When he drunkenly spun around, they tazed him. He hit the ground and cracked his front teeth. They apparently tazed him because he spun around too fast. He sued the city for a healthy settlement, but nothing happened to the police.

There's even a bigger category of police actions where they unnecessarily escalate aggression in the face of even mild noncompliance, even if that lack of compliance is lawful. "Contempt of cop" is a popular derisive term for this behavior.

As it turns out, police are much more likely to do these things to minorities. But that's on average, and no racial background is immune from having this happen to them.

What's unfortunate about all this is there's tons of police interactions where this doesn't happen. Lots of police are going out and doing their job fine on a day to day basis most of the time. There's lots of examples of police doing well not to escalate matters even in very tense situations. It helps understand why this doesn't need to happen nearly as often as it does.
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