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The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:59 am
by _ajax18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPNXpN1 ... WRwgjSRG-g
I can't believe youtube is allowing this video to be posted. What can I say but click quick before it is censored and gone forever. Does anyone have any idea what kind of charges the people who did this will be facing if any? Surely the people who did this are on security cameras. Of course we're not allowed to see that unless they happen to be white, but I can't imagine whoever did this is not on the camera.
ETA: More than a few police officers have been killed by protesters. Surely some of these officers had body cameras on. Why aren't we allowed to see it? If we are, Doc can you find it, cause everywhere I look is censored.
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:33 pm
by _Chap
ajax18 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:59 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPNXpN1 ... WRwgjSRG-g
I can't believe youtube is allowing this video to be posted. What can I say but click quick before it is censored and gone forever. Does anyone have any idea what kind of charges the people who did this will be facing if any? Surely the people who did this are on security cameras. Of course we're not allowed to see that unless they happen to be white, but I can't imagine whoever did this is not on the camera.
Er, yes, the destruction and looting of businesses in the areas where lots of black and other poor people live has a very bad effect on ... wait for it ... the black people and other poor people who live there.
(a) For that reason alone, I deplore such destruction. It does nobody any good, and gives those who hate the idea of change a wonderful excuse for ignoring the need for anything to change.
(b) On the other hand, a society that experiences such outbreaks of communal rage has to ask itself "What, in the long and short term, could our government have done that would have diminished the frequency of such social earthquakes, and why didn't it do those things?". If government fails to act as it needs to, it bears responsibility for much of what follows.
Why would someone like me want to censor such a video?
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:20 pm
by _Some Schmo
Look mama... more paranoid fantasies. What's wrong with him? Is he crazy?
I don't know, but don't look at him, sweetheart. He might start talking to you. Leave the crazy people alone.
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:24 pm
by _EAllusion
ajax18 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:59 am
ETA: More than a few police officers have been killed by protesters. Surely some of these officers had body cameras on. Why aren't we allowed to see it? If we are, Doc can you find it, cause everywhere I look is censored.
More than a few? What are you talking about? I just looked up all duty-related deaths by officers this year. First, it was staggering how much it was dominated by COVID-19. That's by far the primary cause of line-of-duty deaths this year. Second, your claim here isn't backed up by anything.
The most famous incident involving officers killed that was supposed by right-wing media to be a protester hit and dominated Fox coverage for a period of time turned out to be an alt-right extremist attack.
As best I can tell, literally one officer has died in a way that can be plausibly connected to the protests beyond alt-right hitjobs. Specifically, a 77 year old retired police captain died attempting to protect a business from looters. I couldn't find a single example of a police officer killed by protesters.
So, what gives? In the process of gathering data on this, I did find that there were various social media posts circulating through conservativeverse with false claims about this. They work by deceptively attributing any line of duty death to protesters.
Wouldn't be surprised if you were suckered by one. But hey, since you weren't, it'll be no problem providing the stories you are referring to. More than a few of them.
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:00 pm
by _Icarus
People like ajax have no capacity to understand just how racist these posts are. It proves he's more worried about private property than he is black lives. Property that he doesn't even own, and is likely owned by other minorities he hates just the same. He doesn't even know how to process nuance, understanding that criminals are out there every day stealing things, but when they do so during a national crisis, then all criminals must be the protesters. It doesn't matter how many videos we produce showing the actual crimes being committed by mysterious white people, or how many times the peaceful protesters actually try to stop arsonists/thieves. In his mind he's found his fantasy argument and he refuses to let it go no matter what the evidence. This is how it is over at FOX and Right Wing media in general.
You can't disprove conspiracy theories
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:59 pm
by _Analytics
EAllusion wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:24 pm
ajax18 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:59 am
ETA: More than a few police officers have been killed by protesters. Surely some of these officers had body cameras on. Why aren't we allowed to see it? If we are, Doc can you find it, cause everywhere I look is censored.
More than a few? What are you talking about? I just looked up all duty-related deaths by officers this year. First, it was staggering how much it was dominated by COVID-19. That's by far the primary cause of line-of-duty deaths this year. Second, your claim here isn't backed up by anything.
The most famous incident involving officers killed that was supposed by right-wing media to be a protester hit and dominated Fox coverage for a period of time turned out to be an alt-right extremist attack.
As best I can tell, literally one officer has died in a way that can be plausibly connected to the protests beyond alt-right hitjobs. Specifically, a 77 year old retired police captain died attempting to protect a business from looters. I couldn't find a single example of a police officer killed by protesters.
So, what gives? In the process of gathering data on this, I did find that there were various social media posts circulating through conservativeverse with false claims about this. They work by deceptively attributing any line of duty death to protesters.
Wouldn't be surprised if you were suckered by one. But hey, since you weren't, it'll be no problem providing the stories you are referring to. More than a few of them.
You are so naïve, EA. The reason you couldn't find stories documenting the scores of white officers who were murdered by black mobs is because the stories were all taken down and the data falsified; the Internet censors won't allow stories about black-on-white crime to be told. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
Everybody knows that the justice system refuses to prosecute blacks for anything, including cop killing.
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:43 pm
by _ajax18
If government fails to act as it needs to, it bears responsibility for much of what follows.
And that reasoning is why I call BLM a volent terrorist movement. The fact you didn't even say the government bears some of the responsibility but rather all of it and BLM bears none is very telling of how skewed your position is. I still can't believe you have BLM protesting in England. Never again tell me that this only because of antebellum US slavery. This is about have and have nots. This is about violent global Marxism. Given that you've never had a 1st amendment to the Constitution in Great Britain, anti Marxist dissenting voices have probably been losing their jobs and shutdown online long ago. Hence, you have no idea what is really happening on the street. You only know what the government allows you to see.
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:49 pm
by _EAllusion
Great Britain, famously, does not have issues with racial discrimination or police abuse.
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:50 pm
by _EAllusion
ajax18 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:43 pm
If government fails to act as it needs to, it bears responsibility for much of what follows.
And that reasoning is why I call BLM a volent terrorist movement. The fact you didn't even say the government bears some of the responsibility but rather all of it and BLM bears none is very telling of how skewed your position is. I still can't believe you have BLM protesting in England. Never again tell me that this only because of antebellum US slavery. This is about have and have nots. This is about violent global Marxism. Given that you've never had a 1st amendment to the Constitution in Great Britain, anti Marxist dissenting voices have probably been losing their jobs and shutdown online long ago. Hence, you have no idea what is really happening on the street. You only know what the government allows you to see.
So, are you gonna, like, provide those "more than a few" examples of police being murdered by protesters or nah?
Re: The real cost of looting
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:57 pm
by _Chap
Let's see:
Chap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:33 pm
Er, yes, the destruction and looting of businesses in the areas where lots of black and other poor people live has a very bad effect on ... wait for it ... the black people and other poor people who live there.
(a) For that reason alone, I deplore such destruction. It does nobody any good, and gives those who hate the idea of change a wonderful excuse for ignoring the need for anything to change.
(b) On the other hand, a society that experiences such outbreaks of communal rage has to ask itself "What, in the long and short term, could our government have done that would have diminished the frequency of such social earthquakes, and why didn't it do those things?". If government fails to act as it needs to, it bears responsibility for much of what follows.
Then we have:
ajax18 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:43 pm
And that reasoning is why I call BLM a volent terrorist movement. The fact you didn't even say the government bears some of the responsibility but rather all of it and BLM bears none is very telling of how skewed your position is.
A reading lesson: if I say that X bears 'much' of the responsibility for Y, normal readers of the English language understand that 'much' certainly means ' a significant portion of', but certainly not 'all'. I'll try to make it easier for you to understand in future.
ajax18 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:43 pm
I still can't believe you have BLM protesting in England. Never again tell me that this only because of antebellum US slavery. This is about have and have nots. This is about violent global Marxism.
Partly they are demonstrating in sympathy with black people in the States, where the situation for black people encountering the police is certainly a lot worse for black people than in the UK, but in part they are protesting well-based grievances of UK black people about their treatment in the UK, where they suffer significantly worse treatment because of their colour. I'm not sure of what your idea of Marxism may be, but it is certainly not much of a significant force in the UK today.