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Joe Rogan, Bret Weinstein
Sam Harris Can We Pull Back From The Brink?

It seems that the utter craziness of talking defunding eliminating police is only the start of the depth of this craziness. This movement is also very anti-science

Are you talking about Marxists and their confederacy with BLM, antifascists, the Green movement, and Liberal Democrats?

- Doc

RockSlider wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:13 pm

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It seems that the utter craziness of talking defunding eliminating police is only the start of the depth of this craziness. This movement is also very anti-science

Did you have any thoughts? What movement are you talking about and how is it antiscience?

I without a strong incentive will not listen to the first link. I listened halfway to Harris long discussion. Halfway through I found I agreed with everything but he was saying but I was growing frustrated with his going so slow. I suspect he was working up the courage to say police violence is broader than racism and income inequality is deeper and broader than racism. Both of those problems are intertwined with racism.

I especially fear he is right that arson and looting seriously harm black Americans and may well become a foundation upon which Trump could be reelected. (precedent,NIxon)

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:07 pm

Are you talking about Marxists and their confederacy with BLM, antifascists, the Green movement, and Liberal Democrats?

- Doc

Is it not the case that Marxist have confederated with what ever is available for at least the past century?

There was a time in America when the communist party was one of the leaders of the civil rights movement. Does that say anything good or bad about civil rights movements? I do think it says a lot about white Americans of the time who were not members of the party.

Huck,

Lots of political ideologies have little nuggets of wisdom here and there. Just because the Green party wants clean air and water doesn’t mean the rest of their platform is totes amazing. I mean, NatSocs share similar views of the family unit with Confucianism, but they’re very different philosophies, as you know.

- Doc

I skipped ahead to where Huck left off and found it just insufferable. Harris spends so much overweening effort to set himself up as the cool rational head telling you the logical truth that emotionally benighted people can't handle, then goes on to say things that are a mixture of entirely uncontroversial statements and dubious suppositions that he repeatedly contrasts against what "most people" not as enlightened as him think. I bowed out.

huckelberry wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:14 pm

. I suspect he was working up the courage to say police violence is broader than racism and income inequality is deeper and broader than racism. Both of those problems are intertwined with racism.

The part I listened to was a digression on how the frequency of police violence is far more understandable than the average person believes, then goes into a statistical argument on how police violence disparities is unlikely to be driven much by racial discrimination with arguments are near verbatim what you see in alt-right outlets, but with a lot more condescension. He suggests, with a lot of "I'm not saying, but I'm saying" caveats, it's increased criminality and a culture of police resistance among blacks that is the driving factor. I bowed out well before the end, but the part I listened to showed zero engagement or even evidence of familiarity with normal replies to those arguments. As is his wont, he just acts as though his position is the one of cool, rational science even though it's, like, not. Shades of his "If you disagree with Charles Murray, you disagree with science" posturing. I fear that's what Rock means when he refers to an unnamed "anti-science" crowd.

I found the Rogan interview to be the most concerning. He spoke of academics and STEM being attacked and some in those institutions ducking out. He spoke of some movements of which I'm ignorant. I'm reading up now on what happened in the Evergreen Protests Bret seemed to see as foundational to some these movements

It's sounding reminiscent of Mccarthyism

Rock, I'm curious where you come down on the topics that get brought up starting at minute 12 in the Rogan/Weinstein discussion?

I'm reviewing the first hour or so of the interview with Bret, I'm trying to remember things he mentioned that I'm not familiar with. Perhaps you guys can educate me on some of the things that are being referred to here: He first refers this to 'leaderless' movement 'occupy 2.0' which I assume refers to;
Occupy wall street

Which he says morphed into an anarchist group that has merged with Black Lives Matter? It seems their Occupy's latest protest was Occupy Ice but they have a long list of protests list here.

At 12 minutes in is suggests a shift in democratic switched to the republican parties business model moving away from supporting the common people leaving a businesses against another set of businesses competing leaving the people out.

Start at 24 minutes in for where he talks about the attack on science. Which leads into him talking about 'critical theory' which is a religious theory that is anti-stem, cultural marxism postmodernism?

I not clear if he thinks the occupy group is one and the same or holds to this critical theory? Thoughts on all this?