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America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:33 am
by _MeDotOrg
When I was growing up, my parents believed that the Constitution was divinely inspired. But by 1860, that divinely inspired document allowed 1 out of every 7 Americans to be owned by another American. For over 12% of Americans, the Constitution meant your family could be bought and sold, beaten and torn apart by men who were literally defined as being 2/5ths more of a human being.

We were taught that God inspired that government. You know...the Prince of Peace...Jesus loves the little children...

There is a tremendous cognitive dissonance between the narrative and the reality of American history. The narrative is all men are created equal. The reality baked into the Constitution is that many non-whites were counted as three-fifths of a human being. Racial inequality, without whom slavery could not exist, was etched into the DNA of the Constitution.

In 1825, 82 year old Thomas Jefferson replied to a woman who had written to him about the evil of slavery, and wondered when we would see its abolition.
...The march of events has not been such as to render it's completion practicable within the limits of time allotted to me; and I leave it's accomplishment as the work of another generation....The abolition of the evil is not impossible: it ought never therefore to be despaired of. Every plan should be adopted, every experiment tried, which may do something towards the ultimate object.
Slavery was the serpent in the American Garden of Eden. It was the price of forming the United States out of all 13 Colonies. Many of the founding fathers knew in their hearts that it was a monstrous evil. You hear Jefferson's conflict in his writing: We'll create the Union and fix slavery later.

That was not a divinely inspired government. That was the devil's bargain that created the United States of America.

In establishing a government based upon the principle that all men are created equal while permitting the institution of slavery, cognitive dissonance was bound fester in the American psyche. How did we resolve the conflict between the equality of men and the institution of slavery? By simultaneously believing that our government was God's instrument on earth (divinely inspired! Manifest Destiny! American Exceptionalism!), and that subjugation was the paternalistic 'white man's burden'. The American version of Christianity held that slaves owed their allegiance to their masters. The God of Moses who parted the Red Sea to liberate the Jews from slavery was not popular south of the Mason-Dixon line. Slave marriage vows were changed to read "till death or distance do you part" in recognition that slaves whom God had joined in marriage could be pulled asunder by a Christian or an atheist with enough money.

The American psyche adapted to the giant gap between the Declaration of Independence and the existence of Slavery. The cognitive dissonance between the 2 ideas was the clash between the narrative that white Americans told themselves and the reality that black Americans experienced.

Mounted on the wall of my room is a Depression era photo:

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The photograph is the essense the two Americas. The people in the billboard are the American narrative. The people on the street are the American reality.

Throughout our history, the two Americas have been listening to different music, both figuratively and literally. Many white Americans were literally afraid of the harm that would come from listening to Negro music. Their fear impoverished their own experience of American culture.

My point in all of this is that most of the energy in our national discussions about race revolve around statutory solutions. Laws can change behavior but they will not kill the virus of racism. I think we see that as efforts to impose restrictions on racist behavior are implemented, racism gets driven underground, where it will continue to be transmitted.

The American psyche needs to resolve the dissonance between our mythos and our logos, between the ideal and the real. Perhaps we need something like truth and reconciliation committees, where white and black Americans can come together and speak about their perceptions and their hopes and fears.

But legislation is not the entire solution. As long as the underlying fears and prejudices continue to flourish, racism will continue to survive. It is a virus that lives in the human heart.

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:54 am
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Good timing, MDO. I just read this thread off Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglev ... ys_school/

Please take a moment to watch the video. And if that's not eye-opening then down in the comments comes this bit of history very few of us knew about:

http://housedivided.dickinson.edu/sites ... americans/

"On June 16, shortly after Confederate cavalry had occupied Chambersburg, the Southern horsemen were seen “scouring” the surrounding fields and countryside for African-Americans.

Residents wrote in their journals:

“came to town on a regular slave-hunt, which presented the worst spectacle I ever saw in this war.”

"Threatened to burn down every house which harbored a fugitive slave, and did not deliver him up within twenty minutes.”

“I sat on the front step as they were driven by just like we would drive cattle”

“a most pitiful sight, sufficient to settle the slavery question for every humane mind.”

Many of the captured African-Americans were free-born Pennsylvanians and long-time members of the community."

- Doc

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:38 am
by _EAllusion
I think there is a version of American history, often called the progressive of our history, where America is founded on an ideal of political egalitarianism for all people, but imperfectly implemented with history tending to make this ideal more and more a reality. I think the Gettysburg Address, as a snapshot in time, is the most eloquent version of this idea.

I don't think this is correct though. It's a noble idea and one that has been used to great success to motivate people to be better, but as a historical thesis that has colored how people interpret our history, I think it's dead wrong. Rather, I think you have something closer to a random walk of people with better and worse ideas, with major successes for equality and major defeats, with things generally better now than in the past, but no victory ever totally secure. It's also not without cost, as the idea that things are just getting better and better seems to cause people to neglect backsliding or problems that were never actually fixed.

On the subject of Thomas Jefferson, I find him very frustrating on this point. You can tell that he understood slavery to be wrong, but he died a slaver. The pull of his lifestyle was too great. You can tell he inclined himself to the more liberal side of views of Southern slave-holding culture, but also was a major contributor to scientific racism that functioned as the apologetics of colonial oppression that has influenced how people think to this day. He's really a monster who also did some really good things, but he was so god damn close to being better than that.

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 am
by _EAllusion
I read this from Peter Sagal of Wait, Wait Don't Tell me the other day:
Like, I would guess, a lot of white people of my age (55) , right now I'm wondering how I could have grown up with an excellent education and still have known so very little of the actual history of Black people in this country. So, a thread on one instance of education. What we did learn in public school in the 70s-80s was just the good news. The Emancipation Proclamation (though the war was fought for "states' rights.") The Harlem Renaissance. MLK and "I Have a Dream." And Brown V Board and the Little Rock Crisis.

In Little Rock, I was taught, local authorities defied Brown v Board and wouldn't let Black students -- the Little Rock Nine -- enter Little Rock Central High School. So Ike sent the 101st Airborne, escorted them to school, all fixed, yay. In 2012, I visited Little Rock to film a segment for "Constitution USA" and had one of the honors of my life: I got to interview Minniejean Brown Trickey, one of the Nine. And here is what I learned:

1) Ms Trickey did not graduate from LRCHS with the rest of the Nine. One day, in the lunchroom, she was tripped while carrying her tray and a bowl of chili spilled on another (white, obviously) student. She was charged by the school with assault and expelled. She told me that in the Teacher's Lounge, people were heard to say, "We got one! We got that Brown girl!"

She had also mentioned to me, in passing, that while enrolled, she and the other eight Black students learned to walk close to the lockers, because it hurt less when they were shoved into them.

2) I had been taught that once the 101st forced the integration of the school, the Crisis was over. And in a way, it was. The Nine were allowed to attend, and eight graduated. But then, rather the integration of the schools to continue, Gov Faubus *closed all of them.*

They. Closed. All. The. Schools. They would rather their own white children get no education than have to share a classroom with a Black child. I had never heard about that, until I read a plaque at the (excellent) National Historic Site visitor's center. It's known as "The Lost Year." Faubus tried to sell the public high school building to private schools so they could continue as Whites only. That failed, but the idea that Ike "fixed" segregation by sending in the troops was ludicrous, ridiculous, ahistorical, wrong.

Yet that's what I was taught. I don't know why, other than to say that White America, like so many other peoples in so many other places and times, is quite good at telling themselves lies to make themselves feel better. Finally: this is why I so admire the the 1619 Project. It is a powerful corrective to the standard narrative, and even if it includes one or two instances of debatable scholarship -- and that's all I've seen credibly described -- we -- I personally -- need that correction
I thought about this, and while I think Sagal is partially correct to attribute his educational focus on what he does, I think part of what's going on here is the need to fit history into a progressive narrative. School segregation existed. It was legally defeated, and here's some examples of how it then had to be overcome in practice. Now it does not exist. The story of school segregation that is a complex morass of progress and set backs, with the present being nearly as de facto segregated as the early period of integration due to court decisions and policy workarounds, doesn't neatly fit within that narrative. But that's the more correct narrative. Maybe that story doesn't get told because it's harder to tell, but I think a big part of it is that it doesn't fit within civil rights as a story of progressive march. I think this is also partly why Southern Redemption and the step-wise fall of the South into a one-party white supremacist zone of sham democracy tends to get a short shrift in all but the really good texts despite its historical significance.

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:00 am
by _Gunnar
It is tragic that this history is not better taught and understood. And to top it off, we have racist idiots who actually seem to believe that integration only worsened, or worse yet, even caused the interracial tensions, injustice and violence that still plague our country. It breaks my heart that such a sizable minority of Americans still harbor such incredibly stupid and evil racial and xenophobic bigotry in their hearts, and can't see that little children of other races are every bit as precious and cute and deserving of love and happiness as little white children.

I am now appalled at how my younger self once bought the doctrine, formerly taught by LDS leaders, that the Church's discrimination against Blacks was somehow God approved and inspired. Though the Church no longer teaches that (or at least tries to distance itself from it now), Its leaders have never apologized for having once embraced it and tried to justify it. That the LDS church ever held such a pernicious position is, by itself, incontrovertible proof against their claims of having been founded by divine inspiration and prophecy, as far as I'm concerned, unless God, himself, is a cruel and unjust monster.

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:04 pm
by _Some Schmo
Gunnar wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:00 am
That the LDS church ever held such a pernicious position is, by itself, incontrovertible proof against their claims of having been founded by divine inspiration and prophecy, as far as I'm concerned, unless God, himself, is a cruel and unjust monster.
The doctrine contradicts itself here. You can't be a loving god and a racist prick at the same time.

God is a racist is just another in a long list of individual attributes humans have applied to the personal god they made up.

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:18 am
by _Icarus
Glad these hoodlums were caught. Surprised they risked their lives like this posing as black men while looting. You can get shot that way.


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Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:37 am
by _ajax18
I guess ultimately the declaration of Independence and constitution, must all be torn down and replaced. After all it was written by white supremacists. I think they believed in God to, makes them insane.

So all men are not created equal nor endowed with unalienable rights by our creator. Can't believe a white supremacts slave owner.

When dio you 0lan om getting rid of the founding fathers and erasing them from history? Will Great Britain still take us back?

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:40 am
by _EAllusion
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:37 am
I guess ultimstely the declaration of Independence and constitution, must all be torn down and replaced. After all it was wwritten by white supremacists.
That happened in the 1800's. The Reconstruction Amendments are essentially a Constitutional rewrite. You may recall it occurring shortly after the person you are fond of quoting was fortunately shot by his own men.

Re: America's perpetual struggle with racism

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:58 am
by _ajax18
EAllusion wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:40 am
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:37 am
I guess ultimstely the declaration of Independence and constitution, must all be torn down and replaced. After all it was wwritten by white supremacists.
That happened in the 1800's. The Reconstruction Amendments are essentially a Constitutional rewrite. You may recall it occurring shortly after the person you are fond of quoting was fortunately shot by his own men.
Interesting, so the confederates did have the contitution on their side, just not the might to enforce it.