The real Breonna Taylor story

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The real Breonna Taylor story

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Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro spent part of Thursday's edition of "The Ben Shapiro Show" responding to the outcry from celebrities who criticized Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron's handling of the Breonna Taylor case.

BREONNA TAYLOR SHOOTING: FIRED LOUISVILLE OFFICER INDICTED ON CRIMINAL CHARGES BUT NOT IN WOMAN'S DEATH

"I know that when I am looking for an excellent legal analysis of a given fact pattern, I go to Viola Davis," Shapiro stated sarcastically. "That's exactly where I go."

The Oscar-winning actress shared her reaction on Twitter with her 1.5 million followers on Wednesday, writing: "Bulls--- decision!!! BLACK LIVES MATTER!!! Cannot be said enough times."

"Nobody's arguing Black lives don't matter," Shapiro responded. "We're arguing as to whether legal criminal liability attaches when you are a cop, when you knock on the door, announce yourself, break in the door ... and then are fired upon and then return fire."

Actress Kerry Washington, who emceed the Democratic National Convention last month, noted that "Daniel Cameron is on Donald Trump’s short list as replacement of #RGB on the Supreme Court. The same man who decided to not charge the officers responsible for killing #BreonnaTaylor.

Washington concluded her message by writing, "Vote."

"Oh, so Cameron's the bad guy?" Shapiro retorted. "Daniel Cameron followed the law and we don't want him to follow the law. We want Daniel Cameron to completely ignore the law and simply try officers for not violating the law."

"Community" actress Yvette Nicole Brown joined in the angry reaction, tweeting, "No. Officers. Charged. In. The. Killing. Of. #BreonnaTaylor. One. Was. Charged. For. Endangering. But. NOT. Killing. Her. Neighbors. #MakeMeWannaHollerAndThrowUpBothMyHands.

"The law is not a repository for your ire or your feelings," Shapiro responded. "That is not how this works.

"I would like to see an actual lawyer explain where the criminal liability lies here," he added. "I have yet to hear an actual qualified legal voice say that these officers should have been charged on any side of the aisle."

Brett Hankison, who was fired from the Louisville Metro Police Department in June, was indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury on three counts of wanton endangerment in the first degree. Neither of the other two officers involved in the raid were charged, a decision which caused hundreds of protesters to take to the streets of Kentucky's largest city.

"This is not unexpected," Shapiro said of the grand jury decision. "This is fully expected ... but the media pattern never discusses the facts of the case," he explained. " Instead, say the name, don't look at any of the underlying details and then just shout as loud as you can that every tragedy is the result of the American system."
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Breonna Taylor was not asleep in her bed when she was shot as protesters initially claimed. She was standing behind her boyfriend Kenneth Walker who was firing upon the police. Now this current boyfriend was not her drug dealing boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover who caused the police to get a no knock warrant to search the house in the first place through his criminal enterprise. It's hard to believe Breonna wasn't aware of this drug dealing going on. If she did that certainly doesn't mean she deserved to get shot. But that doesn't mean that the police did anything wrong either. Why is the outrage directed at the police and not Jamarcus Glover who caused this situation?

So exactly what did the police do wrong? They went to execute a search warrant. They knocked even though they didn't have to because they had a no knock search warrant. In response Kenneth Walker fires upon the police and the police return fire. Walker first claimed that he merely shot into the floor to scare the intruders. We now know this was a lie given that he hit one of the officers. And because of this we have protesters burning down a city based on a false narrative pushed by the mainstream media. Protester Larynzo Johnson shoots two police officers and somehow is not charged with attempted murder? How do you shoot two police officers and not get charged with attempted murder in this misguided and supposedly peaceful protest? Then I read that Jalen Rose uses his bully pulpit as an NBA commentator to throw a fit that the officers who filled the no knock warrant on Taylor's residence should be charged with murder. The days of watching sports as an escape from arguing with these idiots is over. You might as well be watching Rachel Madcow on CNN. Thankfully I quit watching a while back and only heard this through Ben Shapiro.
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I think what blows my mind is the taxpayers paying Breonna Taylor's family $12 million. It's reasons like this and the bill taxpayers are on the hook for due to this summer of burning and looting that I wish we could secede from this country.
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https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/ ... yths-lies/

1. The officers executed the search warrant by "No Knock."
2. Breonna was sleeping in bed when shot.
3. Officers were at the wrong house.
4. The officer who was charged shot Breonna.
5. The officers fired first.
6. The officer who shot Breonna were responsible for the search warrant.
7. Taylor's current boyfriend was a drug dealer
8. Breonna was shot 8 times.
9. Friendly fire struck officer Mattingly severing his femoral artery.

And these are high ranking people tweeting these lies not just Ben Crump the families attorney. The list includes congressmen.
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It's painful to watch ajax whitesplain Ben Shapiro's whitesplaining of the "real" Breonna Taylor story.

Start with this proposition: the guy on this board who gets incensed at a kid who got a six day school suspension has no "F"s to give when an innocent American is killed by police. Just another black life that doesn't matter to him. What matters to him is accuracy in reporting the number of bullets that tore through her body that night.

The difference between a criminal case against the officers and a civil case against the city is perfectly obvious when you know what you're talking about. In a criminal charge against the individual officers, the only thing that will matter is the facts immediately before they pull the trigger. That fact is that her boyfriend legally shot at the officers under the castle doctrine. And it was legal for the officers to return fire. That's probably what the DA told the grand jury, and it's not a surprise that it returned the verdict it did.

What the DA probably didn't tell the grand jury was that the witness that says he heard someone announce "police" denied hearing any announcement the first two times he was interviewed. He also publicly stated that he heard someone say "police" once, and that he thought it was likely that Taylor and her boyfriend likely didn't hear it because the banging on the door was so loud.

That's not the way officers are trained to do "knock and announce" warrants. They're supposed to announce so loud that it wakes the neighbors. But 11 other neighbors interviewed said they never heard any announcement. They boyfriend says he was yelling "who's there," but no one answered.

Breonna Taylor is dead because the raid on her home was planned and conducted by people who didn't give a crap about her personal safety. The original no knock warrant was likely unconstitutional. But there's no consequence to that, because the Supreme Court has said the exclusionary rule doesn't apply in that situation. The other simultaneous raids in the drug bust used trained SWAT teams and had ambulances standing by. The Taylor raid was conducted by three plain clothes officers. Why plain clothes? Well, it just so happened that uniformed officers would have had to wear body cams -- plain clothes didn't. An ambulance had been staged near the Taylor residence, but was sent away. The Taylor warrant was two months old when executed. The police didn't bother to do even the minimal surveillance necessary to determine who was in the house.

You can read more here. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... na-taylor/

But all of that involves stuff we know. You know who knows the important stuff that we don't know? The risk managers of the insurance pools that paid the first $7 million of the settlement. And, perhaps most importantly, the excess insurance company that paid the last $5 million. Who here has had the pleasure of trying to persuade an excess insurer to pay that kind of money on a case? I have. They don't just pay out $5 million because "dead black woman." Someone had to provide that insurer with solid evidence that the case had a substantial chance of a much higher verdict. And it was settled before any discovery, which is a pretty good indication that there's some damn ugly evidence that the city does not want to ever see the light of day.

When I look at just the information we have, what got Breanna Taylor killed was a law enforcement system that didn't give a crap about her safety. They sent guys not dressed like cops to her home in the middle of the night with guns and a battering ram after they had apparently decided she didn't pose a risk of destroying evidence (that didn't exist) or shooting at them. They didn't bother to figure out who was inside the apartment. They banged on her door, but didn't try to make sure she knew it was the police that were banging. They sent away the medical support that might have helped save her life. They broke her door down and charged in. Their callous disregard of her safety was most starkly demonstrated by the officer that shot into the apartment from outside. Her life did not matter law enforcement -- not at all.

Which is kind of the point.
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That fact is that her boyfriend legally shot at the officers under the castle doctrine.
I find it hypocritical that this doctrine didn't hold up for Merritt Landry when his house was being robbed in New Orleans. We certainly have a two tiered system of justice when the shooter is white versus when the shooter is black.
That's not the way officers are trained to do "knock and announce" warrants.
Why does that matter? The officers had a no knock warrant. They didn't seek a no knock warrant. They were simply ordered to go and execute the warrant. If you want to make a case against "no knock," warrants then fine you can make a good case. But that doesn't mean the cops shot back because they were racist.
When I look at just the information we have, what got Breanna Taylor killed was a law enforcement system that didn't give a ____ about her safety. They sent guys not dressed like cops to her home in the middle of the night with guns and a battering ram after they had apparently decided she didn't pose a risk of destroying evidence (that didn't exist) or shooting at them.
But you don't place any blame on her drug dealing exboyfriend Jamarcus Glover. Sounds about right.
Someone had to provide that insurer with solid evidence that the case had a substantial chance of a much higher verdict. And it was settled before any discovery, which is a pretty good indication that there's some damn ugly evidence that the city does not want to ever see the light of day.
Then why did her lawyer feel the need to tell so many lies about the facts of the case?
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Jesus, Ajax, you can't even get your whataboutism straight.

Different states have different self-defense laws and the facts of the two cases differ significantly. Landry shot an unarmed teenager who was in his driveway. Walker shot at armed people who broke the door down in the middle of the night. Both were arrested. Neither were prosecuted. And this is your evidence for your white persecution complex?

The officers were ordered to execute the warrant as a knock and announce warrant by their superiors. The police department absolutely sought and received a no knock warrant that doesn't meet constitutional scrutiny. And there is good evidence they lied to get it. That kind of conduct seems to bother you when it involves white guys going to jail but not when a black woman is killed.

The drug-dealing ex boyfriend didn't shoot Breonna Taylor. He wasn't there. He didn't seek the warrant. He didn't plan the raid. He didn't pull the trigger. Taylor's death is 100% the fault of the police department that didn't give a crap about whether she lived or died. Just like you don't. Because something something something ex-drug dealer.

What her lawyer said isn't relevant to whether there was a good civil case against the City. The City and its insurer got to see the evidence that you will never see. And they paid a ton of money to make sure you will never see it.

But I'm sure we'll be skipping off now to some other portion of your white persecution complex.
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Landry shot an unarmed teenager who was in his driveway. Walker shot at armed people who broke the door down in the middle of the night.
How did Landry know this teenager was unarmed? How did Walker know the people knocking at his door were armed? Because if he knew they were armed he also knew it was the police and should have surrendered rather than opening fire upon them. I suspect he knew it was the police and didn't want to surrender. But it helped his case to recant his story about just shooting into the floor to scare the unknown intruder after more facts came out.
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Landry knew that the teenager wasn't pointing a weapon at him. And, in case you forgot, the people who broke down Taylor's door were wearing plainclothes. So one case is a teenager in a driveway, and the other is someone banging on and then breaking through your front door. Still different. Same result: charges dismissed.

What you "suspect" is pure racial bias. There is no reason to "suspect" that Walker knew that it was the police coming through the door. It was men in civilian clothes with guns drawn. There is also no reason for not to "surrender" to police.

And I don't see a recantation of anything. The police have done what they always do in these cases: release the bits and pieces of evidence they think strengthen their case. They don't tell the whole truth.

But you go one ahead. You're making the case that you don't give a crap about an innocent American being gunned down in her home by the police. Just like law enforcement didn't give a crap about her safety when they planned and executed the raid.
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The drug-dealing ex boyfriend didn't shoot Breonna Taylor. He wasn't there. He didn't seek the warrant. He didn't plan the raid. He didn't pull the trigger.
Jamarcus Glover is the reason the police came to her apartment in the first place.
Taylor's death is 100% the fault of the police department
The fact that you can't see even 1% of the blame being on the criminal who set this chain of events into motion demonstrates the irrationality of your bias. This is why we need a segregated society. No matter how we try to enforce the law, if we do attempt to enforce it, it's always going to be the police departments fault. I don't want this kind of crime in my country. You apparently do. So let's get separate countries.
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Go to hell, Ajax. You don't like it here -- leave. Nobody forced them to get an unconstitutional warrant. Nobody forced them to lie about about the package that was mailed to her house. Nobody forced the police to go to Taylor's house in the middle of the night, armed, and with a battering ram. Nobody forced them to break her door down after 45 seconds. That was all their decisions. They killed an innocent American citizen in her own home looking for evidence that existed only in their imagination. Because her life didn't matter to them.
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