The criminalization of political opinion

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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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subgenius wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 pm
So much for the sanctity of marriage. This entire OP is obtuse and narrow in thought. The idea that anyone could be imprisoned for their political beliefs is ridiculous and to think that our nation is anywhere near such action is nothing more than idiot-based-fear-mongering. I challenge anyone to put their ignorance on full display by offering up a sincere argument for how such actions could ever be successfully implemented by the DoJ.
I'm glad you agree that Ajax's OP is ridiculous.

I also agree that the DoJ is not likely to try to arrest Trump's political opponents--at least not while there is still a good chance that Trump will not survive the election. I think Barr knows better than to try that. I have little doubt, though, that Trump really, really wants him to. He makes no secret of that! Barr might have a better chance of getting away with pulling that stunt, though, if Trump survives the election.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:42 pm
subgenius wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 pm
So much for the sanctity of marriage. This entire OP is obtuse and narrow in thought. The idea that anyone could be imprisoned for their political beliefs is ridiculous and to think that our nation is anywhere near such action is nothing more than idiot-based-fear-mongering. I challenge anyone to put their ignorance on full display by offering up a sincere argument for how such actions could ever be successfully implemented by the DoJ.
I'm glad you agree that Ajax's OP is ridiculous.

I also agree that the DoJ is not likely to try to arrest Trump's political opponents--at least not while there is still a good chance that Trump will not survive the election. I think Barr knows better than to try that. I have little doubt, though, that Trump really, really wants him to. He makes no secret of that! Barr might have a better chance of getting away with pulling that stunt, though, if Trump survives the election.
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You agree and then devolve in to exactly the same position as Ajax's juvenile OP. Both of you are ignorant for posting such fear-mongering drivel.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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subgenius wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:48 pm
You agree and then devolve in to exactly the same position as Ajax's juvenile OP. Both of you are ignorant for posting such fear-mongering drivel.
Oh, I don't think it is likely to actually happen, but it still is no secret that Trump has strongly pressured Barr to arrest Biden and other political opponents, and has scolded and belittled him for his hesitancy to do so. If Trump survives the election, I think it very likely that he will fire Barr, if he still refuses to do it.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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subgenius wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 pm
The idea that anyone could be imprisoned for their political beliefs is ridiculous and to think that our nation is anywhere near such action is nothing more than idiot-based-fear-mongering. I challenge anyone to put their ignorance on full display by offering up a sincere argument for how such actions could ever be successfully implemented by the DoJ.
Maybe one should pay more attention to history. Also Trump has been calling for certain liberals to be arrested. Like Biden who he is currently afraid he may lose to. You complain about the idea, but never go after the guy who has a position in which it could happen and has been calling for his political opponents to be arrested. Fortunately even some of his loyalists know it would be a bad idea. Given time though he would probably find one who would do it.

If you look at Keith Olberman, he does not hold any political office, and his post is reasonably interpreted as thinking these people he lists are guilty of crimes.
If Biden is elected Trump has the exact same chance of being locked up as Hillary Clinton has had for the past 4 years. Me thinks you don't pay attention.
The difference is there was no real evidence to show Hillary committed a crime. She was investigated over and over and over again and we both know if they had even had a little they would have gone after her. Trump on the other hand looks to have plenty of evidence.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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If you look at Keith Olberman, he does not hold any political office, and his post is reasonably interpreted as thinking these people he lists are guilty of crimes.
Exactly what crime is Sean Hannity, Michael Pence, or Michael Lee, or Amy Coney Barrett guilty of that would justify Olbermann's call to imprison them?
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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I challenge anyone to put their ignorance on full display by offering up a sincere argument for how such actions could ever be successfully implemented by the DoJ.
It has already happened to General Flynn.

Expressing a desire for civil rights and freedom for the residents of Hong Kong who are now under the thumb of China is enough to keep you from working in the NBA. Losing your job is usually the preferred method of political bullying but I can still see the radical left dealing out jail time for attending conservative rallies in the future. Once Puerto Rico and DC are made states and the Supreme Court is packed with liberals, we'll be a one party state and there's really nothing to stop them from governing as the communists they really are.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:49 pm
Once Puerto Rico and DC are made states and the Supreme Court is packed with liberals, we'll be a one party state and there's really nothing to stop them from governing as the communists they really are.

What is wrong with favoring statehood for Puerto Rico??? Several Presidents including Reagan and Bush favored statehood for Puerto Rico.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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How soon we forget. The administration of George W. Bush attempted to politicize the Justice Department, resulting in a major scandal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal ... ontroversy The Attorney General and eight other Justice Department Officials. It was the predecessor of Trump's attempt to turn the Justice Department, State Department, Department of Health and Human Services into organizations primarily devoted to re-electing Trump and strengthening the Republican regime's minority rule. Only in the fever dream delusions of Trumpers did the Obama administration do anything close to comparable.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:37 pm
If you look at Keith Olberman, he does not hold any political office, and his post is reasonably interpreted as thinking these people he lists are guilty of crimes.
Exactly what crime is Sean Hannity, Michael Pence, or Michael Lee, or Amy Coney Barrett guilty of that would justify Olbermann's call to imprison them?
Maybe you could ask him.
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Re: The criminalization of political opinion

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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:49 pm
I challenge anyone to put their ignorance on full display by offering up a sincere argument for how such actions could ever be successfully implemented by the DoJ.
It has already happened to General Flynn.
LOL He broke the law and even admits to it.
Once Puerto Rico and DC are made states
Should Puerto Rico not be a state? They have a population greater then many states.
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