Atrocity of Holocaust Level Proportions

[_canpakes]

You should, again, read your own links. ; )

From the second physical page of the document:
“Further, because no procedures or systems had been established to track separated families across HHS and DHS for later reunification, HHS struggled to identify separated children.”

Then, read the section that begins at listed page 15, strangely titled, “Key senior HHS officials failed to act on repeated warnings from staff; as a result, HHS did not plan for family separation”.

Chap's claim was - " there was no plan to track the families or even reunite them"
(1) The "track" claim has already been refuted by facts. There was a tracking system in place.

The OIG report that you are linking to says otherwise.

(2) The "reunite" claim is also refuted by the facts -
whereas we learn via the Memorandum of Agreement (1st one signed by Obama in Feb 2016) that DHS and HHS had no clear system for communication between them, ergo the systematic errors/confusion began with Obama and not Trump, ergo Chap's claim that it "Truuummmpppfff!" is refuted.

Strangely, your desperate attempt to blurt out, “But, but, Obammmmmmmaaaa!!1!” doesn’t change the fact that the Trump Administration had no viable plan.

Reference also page 8 and 9 of referenced "report" linked herein and from cited article.
We can clearly "read" from the report -
"In June 2018, HHS and DHS did not routinely collect and share the information necessary to identify, track, or connect families separated by
DHS. Compliance with the Ms. L v. ICE court order of June 26, 2018, therefore required both HHS and DHS to undertake a significant new effort to rapidly identify children in ORR care who had been separated from their parents and reunify them."
So - arguably there may not have been a "plan to reunite", but that lack was from the Obama administration and not specific to Trump. The issue being discovered by the consequences of the above mentioned ruling.
WHAT WE DO KNOW AS FACT IS THAT JULY 2018 WAS WHEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ISSUED Interagency Plan for Reunification Under Ms. L v. ICE - keyword = "PLAN". (see page 12).

Oops. Here’s where your usual mix of disingenuous editing and odd comprehension deficiency once again rise up to make you look foolish. Immediately after your quoted text block is the following:

“HHS coordinated closely with DHS and DOJ to develop a joint plan outlining the Agencies’ response to the court order in Ms. L v. ICE. The plan, dated July 18, 2018, describes processes to reunify Ms. L class members with their children.”

That would be the same court proceeding that I referred to previously, wherein the lawyer for the Trump Administration admitted that no plan to reunite families existed.

The ‘plan’ you are referring to here was created in response to that case. Therefore, Chap’s statement remains accurate. Your claims, on the other hand, do not. But, I do appreciate your brief moment of clarity when you end up agreeing with this conclusion (bolded above) in the midst of your foot-stomping.

Point being, Chap's claim (1) is refuted by fact; and claim (2) is refuted because Chap specifically states that the "reunite" issue was "propriety of the Trump administration's southern border policy" - when the facts show that it was Obama's policy with the shortcoming being from the Memorandum in Feb 2016.

Oh, I’m sorry. Someone should have taught you long ago that the excuse of, “Some other dude didn’t have a plan, so that means that Trump not having a plan actually means Trump had a plan!!1!” is not a valid display of logic. It is a bit amusing, though.

I appreciate that you tried so hard to make it look as if you weren’t just babbling out of your arse, but you’re done here.

your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance on the matter, which lags behind your desperation....but, yeah done here indeed.

OK. If you insist that my correct statements are the equivalence of arrogance in the face of your vapid utterances, distractions and continued episodes of falling flat on your face as you struggle to understand English, well, then, I’m arrogant. Better that, than to emulate your condition.

And Chap’s statement still stands, as correct.

[_subgenius]

And Chap’s statement still stands, as correct.

So yeah, in spite of the obvious facts in evidence you're gonna entrench...and carry Chaps water...kewl.

[Guest]

And Chap’s statement still stands, as correct.

So yeah, in spite of the obvious facts in evidence you're gonna entrench...and carry Chaps water...kewl.

The ‘obvious facts and evidence’ have been presented, and given the government’s attorney and the OIG report admitting the lack of a viable plan, even you agreed there was no viable plan. We can always go back to your own previous post where you admit it.

But, feel free to misread the facts again, and to display your misreading here for the amusement of all.

Resolved:

“When the administration started separating families at the southern U.S. border … there was no plan to track the families or even reunite them...

[_Jersey Girl]

There is NO way Trump’s mushroom dick cock holster will read that.

- Doc

**Turns page in personal Urban Dictionary journal. Starts new entry.**

[_Temp. Admin.]

(Dr. Shades here, using our "Temp. Admin." account.)

Folks, this whole thing is incredibly troubling, but you all already know that. When the migrants were deported, they MUST have demanded that their children be deported with them, right? Either that, or they left details about their children, such as their names, descriptions, appearances as much as able, clothing worn at the time of separation, etc. so that the authorities could identify and return them to their parents as soon as possible, . . . right?

Were U.S. authorities under orders to simply ignore the demands of the parents? Of all the details written down by said authorities, what happened to those notes? Is anyone following up with them?

Better yet, we can only imagine that it would be FAR more convenient, not to mention humane, to deport the child together with the parent. Does anyone have any insight as to why this wasn't done, and why the parents' demands weren't complied with?

[_Jersey Girl]

(Dr. Shades here, using our "Temp. Admin." account.)

Folks, this whole thing is incredibly troubling, but you all already know that. When the migrants were deported, they MUST have demanded that their children be deported with them, right? Either that, or they left details about their children, such as their names, descriptions, appearances as much as able, clothing worn at the time of separation, etc. so that the authorities could identify and return them to their parents as soon as possible, . . . right?

Were U.S. authorities under orders to simply ignore the demands of the parents? Of all the details written down by said authorities, what happened to those notes? Is anyone following up with them?

Better yet, we can only imagine that it would be FAR more convenient, not to mention humane, to deport the child together with the parent. Does anyone have any insight as to why this wasn't done, and why the parents' demands weren't complied with?

What makes you think parents were in a position to demand anything? Insight as to why they weren't deported together? Yeah, because it was the intention of the Trump administration to scare the crap out of incoming immigrants as a form of deterrent.

Read this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/p ... stein.html

[_canpakes]

Were U.S. authorities under orders to simply ignore the demands of the parents? Of all the details written down by said authorities, what happened to those notes? Is anyone following up with them?

Better yet, we can only imagine that it would be FAR more convenient, not to mention humane, to deport the child together with the parent. Does anyone have any insight as to why this wasn't done, and why the parents' demands weren't complied with?

What makes you think parents were in a position to demand anything? Insight as to why they weren't deported together? Yeah, because it was the intention of the Trump administration to scare the crap out of incoming immigrants as a form of deterrent.

Read this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/p ... stein.html

Separation was openly acknowledged and intended to be a deterrent. I don’t think that any ‘demands’ from detained parents would find a receptive audience within the Administration.

This passage from the report’s listed page 20 also speaks to the culture in place at the agencies involved:

Some ORR staff described an organizational culture that discouraged putting potentially controversial information in writing, including but not limited to information about separated children. Although such cautions may sometimes be reasonable—for example, to warn HHS personnel against creating an inaccurate factual record—ORR staff reported more pervasive warnings to limit documentation related to sensitive topics. For example, ORR staff recalled receiving repeated, general reminders to be cautious about putting information in writing, as well as being instructed to provide verbal-only briefings and offer verbal-only comments on certain matters. Some ORR staff also reported that they were criticized for documenting certain topics. For example, one ORR employee recalled that immediately after sending an email that included concerns about family separation, a superior within ORR verbally advised the employee that those concerns should not have been put in an email.

Collectively, these repeated reminders to limit written information may have had a chilling effect on frank discussion about the possibility that larger- scale family separation would occur, impeding the UAC Program’s ability to prepare. The lack of documentation may also have contributed to senior HHS officials’ ability to dismiss staffs’ concerns about capacity and children’s well-being rather than squarely address them. Additionally, the lack of written records on these topics hampers subsequent efforts to determine what occurred and how HHS could better respond to similar challenges in the future.

In the absence of comprehensive, coordinated planning for the possibility of larger-scale family separations, ORR was unprepared for the surge in separated children—and particularly very young children—after zero- tolerance was formally implemented in May 2018. Insufficient bed capacity led to delays in placing children in ORR facilities, including delays past the 72-hour legal limit for such transfers to occur. Additionally, facilities struggled to meet the significant and unique needs of this especially vulnerable population.

[_subgenius]

insert post absent of relevant MoA here

[_canpakes]

Read the report, subs. Don’t be lazy. ; )

[_subgenius]

(Dr. Shades here, using our "Temp. Admin." account.)

Folks, this whole thing is incredibly troubling, but you all already know that. When the migrants were deported, they MUST have demanded that their children be deported with them, right? Either that, or they left details about their children, such as their names, descriptions, appearances as much as able, clothing worn at the time of separation, etc. so that the authorities could identify and return them to their parents as soon as possible, . . . right?

Were U.S. authorities under orders to simply ignore the demands of the parents? Of all the details written down by said authorities, what happened to those notes? Is anyone following up with them?

Better yet, we can only imagine that it would be FAR more convenient, not to mention humane, to deport the child together with the parent. Does anyone have any insight as to why this wasn't done, and why the parents' demands weren't complied with?

The reality is that the children were tracked etc. What the local libtards refuse to acknowledge is the fact that the problem at hand is that government bureaucracy did not have an effective system to communicate this tracking information from DHS to HHS. This problem was existent through Bush, Obama, and early Trump - until a judge intervened to hasten the process of reunification.
The importance of the MoA that Obama first issued is was that it exasperated the above mentioned problem - but its chic to just lay the whole thing at Trump's feet...which ironically are the only feet in the past 2 decades that have remedied the policy and its shortcomings.
But the #tds runs strong...stronger than fact and reason.