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Chap wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:01 pm
That's precisely the point.

Climate scientists don't smile with quiet satisfaction as they put the finishing touches to a paper setting out the near certainty that without drastic action the world their children and grandchildren will have to live in is going to hell (like hot, with flames, but with floods too) in a handcart. They are seriously worried, more than most other people would be, because they know better than anybody else how highly likely it is that all that stuff really is going to happen.
Yes, of course! The idea that the world's climate scientists are warning us about what will likely happen, if drastic mitigation efforts are not taken, because they expect to profit somehow by doing so is totally ludicrous! They are mercilessly excoriated by right-wingers for reporting the conclusions based on their research, and even subjected to death threats. The few climate scientists willing to compromise their integrity by shilling for the fossil fuel industry to spread disinformation about the reality of climate change are the ones who are really raking in the dough!
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"This nation is 'sinking' because of climate change. Residents are pleading for help."
USA Today wrote:Standing at a lectern dressed in a suit and tie, the foreign minister of a small Pacific island nation called on the United Nations for urgent action against climate change.

Then the camera zoomed out, and revealed he was actually standing knee-deep in the sea.

Simon Kofe recorded the now viral speech to the UN COP26 climate summit to raise awareness about how rising sea levels have affected the country of Tuvalu and its nine islands that Kofe said are "sinking."

In the speech Tuesday, Kofe pleaded for "bold, alternative action" against climate change on behalf of the 11,600 citizens of Tuvalu.

"In Tuvalu, we are living the realities of climate change and sea level rise," he said. "... We cannot wait for speeches when the sea is rising around us all the time."

The islands of Tuvalu are sacred to its residents, he said.

"They were the home of our ancestors," he said. "They are the home of our people today, and we want them to remain the home of our people into the future."

Tuvalu may be among the Pacific island nations that are uninhabitable by 2030, forcing many to move to locations less vulnerable to sea level rise, according to a 2012 paper from the United Nations Development Programme.

Tuvalu rarely exceeds 3 meters above mean sea level, making it the world's second lowest-lying country, according to the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Australia in 2019 pledged $500 million "to strengthen climate change and disaster resilience in the Pacific."

Five low-lying islands of the Solomon Island archipelago in the western South Pacific Ocean have already been submerged, the Diplomat reported.
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New York Magazine wrote:In June, the Pacific “heat dome” shattered temperature records throughout B.C., forcing climate scientists to reconsider their models and killing hundreds of humans and more than a billion marine animals, along with harvests of whole regions of farmland — “the cherries roasting on trees.” The wildfire season overall burned more than 3,000 square miles this year, an area of land about the size of Puerto Rico, releasing probably a hundred million tons of carbon into the atmosphere and destroying the city of Lytton. And now, as happened in California with much more modest rainfall after the historic wildfire season of 2018, a “storm of the century” powered by an “atmospheric river” has hit Canadian mountains totally stripped of tree protection, producing mudslides and rockslides and landslides, trapping hundreds of cars on roads suddenly piled with debris including “families in cars without food or medications.” The storm closed major highways, downed power lines, forced the evacuation of thousands, shut down two of the country’s biggest railroad lines and its largest container port, and literally washed away parts of the region’s chief east-west roadway, the Trans-Canada Highway. A thousand train cars carrying grain are currently idling, and it’s estimated that the railroads won’t reopen for weeks. Some of the highways may take longer. Farmers have been “trying to save their livestock by towing them in boats in water that was five feet deep.” Others have been herding cattle by Jet Ski.
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Dr. Richard Alley Presenting at Nobel Conference 55
As Dr. Alley convincingly pointed out, we have two choices. We can act on what we have learned about human caused climate change and create the strongest economy the world has ever known, with better job opportunities and a cleaner, safer and healthier environment in the process of doing so, or we can do nothing about it and suffer greater impoverishment, more economic inequality, more starvation and a dirtier and more dangerous and unhealthier environment.

Denying the potential dangers of human caused climate change is every bit as irrational as denying the existence of gravity. Remarkably, there is a surprising number of hard right conservatives and science deniers who even try to deny the existence of gravity itself!
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Patrick Moore speaking truth and debunking the Progressive cult gospel.
https://youtu.be/BgTdljY7p90
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm
Patrick Moore speaking truth and debunking the Progressive cult gospel.
https://youtu.be/BgTdljY7p90
Yeah, there's this one guy on Youtube, so we know that all the other 99.5% of climate scientists publishing in peer reviewed scientific journals are a a bunch of shills paid by George Soros.
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Chap wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:31 pm
Atlanticmike wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm
Patrick Moore speaking truth and debunking the Progressive cult gospel.
https://youtu.be/BgTdljY7p90
Yeah, there's this one guy on Youtube, so we know that all the other 99.5% of climate scientists publishing in peer reviewed scientific journals are a a bunch of shills paid by George Soros.
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Why is AM bringing up Patrick Moore again, who has already been devastatingly exposed as a paid shill of the fossil fuel industry and the notorious Heritage Institute that dishonestly tried to cast doubt on the health hazards of cigarette smoking on behalf of the tobacco industry?

https://www.discussmormonism.com/viewto ... 9#p2748139

https://www.discussmormonism.com/viewto ... 1#p2748141

https://www.discussmormonism.com/viewto ... 4#p2741814

He must enjoy embarrassing himself.
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Spherical Solar Cells - doubling the power output of flat PV panels!
Solar panels are highly sensitive to what you might call 'sub-optimal' conditions...wrong angle of the sun, scattered sunlight, dust & sand, too much heat - all these things diminish the panels ability to generate power. But now a research team reckon they've overcome all those problems by creating a spherical version of the common solar PV panel. So, is this a practical proposition for the real world?
Watch Out for This NEW Graphene Aluminum Ion Battery Development!!!

This is yet another promising and exiting development. Not only is aluminum much more abundant, cheaper and more ecologically benign to mine, and more easily recyclable than lithium, and graphene also much cleaner and more ecologically benign to find and produce, the aluminum graphene ion battery is more energy dense, can be charged up to 60 times faster than lithium-ion batteries without overheating, and almost totally lacks any tendency to explode or catch on fire as some lithium-ion batteries have done. This practically eliminates the range anxiety, and the inconvenience of long charging times currently associated with EVs. What's not to like about that?
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People have been talking about aluminium in connection with batteries for some years now, since it was seen as having some major potential advantages over lithium. But, as ever, getting from potential to production has been the problem.

The fact that these things are now being offered commercially is very encouraging. At the very least, this will encourage more money to go into R&D like the following:

Enabling aluminum in batteries

Scientists in South Korea and the UK demonstrated a new cathode material for an aluminum-ion battery, which achieved impressive results in both specific capacity and cycle life. The material allows researchers to better take advantage of aluminum’s energy storage characteristics, and produce batteries with much higher capacity.

APRIL 27, 2021 MARK HUTCHINS


Aluminum has recently attracted plenty of attention among energy storage researchers, as a potential key material for a “next generation” of battery technologies with capabilities beyond those of today’s lithium-ion batteries.

Alongside aluminum’s relative abundance compared to lithium and many other materials with favorable energy storage characteristics, scientists have noted the potential for aluminum to exchange three electrons per ion, bringing the potential for far higher storage capacities. Taking advantage of this potential, however, has proved challenging. “The core advantage of aluminum-ion batteries (AIBs) is its capability to store multivalent carrier ions to increase the specific capacity of electrode materials,” states a new paper from a group of scientists led by Seoul National University. “Unfortunately, nearly all the cathode materials reported to date operate on the basis of the storage of monovalent complex ions such that the true benefit of AIBs has not been fully taken advantage of.”

In the paper Tetradiketone macrocycle for divalent aluminium ion batteries, published in Nature Communications, this group demonstrates a new cathode material based on organic molecule tetradiketone. The group was able to take advantage of a “radical destabilization” effect within this molecule, which makes storage of multiple electrons per aluminum ion the dominant process within a battery. Based on this, the group was able to design a cathode material with a specific capacity of 350 milliamp-hours per gram, and an operating voltage of 1.3 V. The material also retained 78% of its initial capacity after 8000 cycles.

“This study offers useful insights into the way in which active molecules can be designed to activate their capability of storing divalent aluminium ions and thus take due advantage of multivalent batteries,” the group states. They further suggest that more work on similar molecules in the diketone family and a deeper understanding of the destabilization effect they observed in these materials could lead to more impressive results.
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USA Today wrote:Millions of Americans are under siege from heavier rains and longer droughts as climate change alters precipitation patterns from coast to coast.

Rising temperatures and rising oceans have for years been framed as the impending disasters on the crest of climate change. But this year, like few before it, changing rainfall patterns bullied their way into the collective consciousness, USA TODAY found in a yearlong reporting effort called "Downpour."

The reporting reveals a stunning shift in the way precipitation falls in America, and it makes clear the nation was built for the climate of the past. Roads, bridges, sewer systems and entire communities that decades ago seemed safe from fire and flood now lie within one or both danger zones.
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