Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone

[Alf'Omega]

Do you ever feel the need not to win some small point? The fact that you can’t admit that the qultist is using Leftist rhetoric and then you further deflect by shifting attention to Res Ipsa is classic you. Not every post has to be won - you’re not the anti-mopologist who, like them, needs to die on every ant hill. Different side, same coin.

Anyway. He’s been using this parody angle since he showed up. I pointed it out months ago, so I’m left to surmise people like Res Ipsa, who does in fact have a developed sense of humor, is just using him as a foil.

eta: canpakes is definitely using the cultist as a set-up man.

- Doc

Res Ipsa's exchange with [personal attack deleted — RI] is one of the reasons I reject your claim that he's just trying to be funny or whatever. If you want me to "admit" you're right then you need to produce a valid example of some "leftist rhetoric" arguing along such lines. I believe he is genuinely stupid and by giving him props for a job well done you're only enabling him to continue with littering this forum and turning it into a cesspool of trolls. Maybe you should consider the possibility that it is simply despicable in my mind that anyone would be using an accident and a tragedy to push a political narrative. Trolling or not, it needs to be called out for what it is.

The majority of his posts and threads I don't even respond to, but keep pretending I have to respond to everything and win.

[Alf'Omega]

The difference is, Cultellus doesn’t get under my skin. At all. When I argue with him, it’s because I want to make a point and Cam is correct — I generally use him as a foil.

Your well reasoned and elaborate responses to Cult demonstrated that you didn't think he was just trolling. After reading through several pages of him doubling down on his stupid "it wasn't an accident" argument, I responded with a mere quip, calling him a moron. It could have ended there. But apparently my quip got under your skins! Someone even edited out my post which is an all-time first for Spirit Paradise.

Doc jumps in and implies I'm too dense to understand Cult doesn't believe his own BS. He said that he was just being "funny" by trying to adopt "leftist rhetoric." And when I disagree, it cannot be because we can agree to disagree. No. In Doc's mind, unless I agree with him on all points, I must have something "wrong" with me. That's just one of those unflattering character traits he has.

I called Cult a moron and left it at that because unlike some here, I don't waste a lot of time on stupidity. But then you guys turned this into another one of your psychoanalytical BS points about how well grounded you are compared to others here. Give me a damned break. People here including you have actually been trying to ARGUE with someone you're now claiming is just trying to be funny! But at the same time you want to say it is me who is taking him too serious. You can't have it both ways. (Oh wait, now you can. Just say you're using him as FOIL!)

All you're doing is enabling this moron to continue with his idiotic posting habits because now you've indicated to him it is appreciated as legit humor. Well, I see no humor in any of this and if you do, then something is wrong with you. Personally I think it is disgusting that anyone is gleefully attacking a man who is clearly remorseful and going through mental anguish over a tragic accident. I personally can't even imagine what one must go through knowing he or she took a life. There are people who who kill intentionally and still it changes them inside for life.

Cult's argument that no one aims a gun and fires it on a movie set is nothing short of dumb. Anyone who has seen virtually any movie knows this is not true. The John Wick series alone fired something like 1,500 rounds aimed directly at people, mostly at short range. Keanu Reeves had to go through intensive firearm training so these were real guns being used. Anyone who has watched classics like Deer Hunter knows that the Christopher Walken scene wasn't CGI.

The only reason this is a thread is because Baldwin is despised by Trumpers. That's it. If this were an NRA supporting Gun instructor who got killed by a 9 year old girl because he gave her an Uzi, it wouldn't even register on his radar as something worth mentioning.

[Morley]

Here is a good article taking the position that while Baldwin could be charged with involuntary manslaughter based on how the set was negligently run, the more likely result will be a civil wrongful death settlement.

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/10/24/y ... oting-but/

I don't know if this will be career ending. Baldwin seems unstable and prone to fits on anger, but, that hasn't stopped him so far and people tend to forget easily.

Thanks, Exiled. I think Turley has a point here. It's Baldwin's further exposure as a producer that's going to cause trouble for him. If, in that capacity, he allowed corners to be cut, it won't turn out well for him.

And as Gad said earlier, this kind of tragedy can't help but have a personal, lasting impact on the man. Culpable or not, he killed another human being.

[Alf'Omega]

Yep. Not an accident. Negligence.

Nobody points a real gun at someone and pulls the trigger accidentally.

That's not what that article implied. But, you'll delete this nonsense soon, just like every other post, so there's no point in engaging, other than to note your conclusion is not supported.

Which begs the question, why does someone comb through literally hundreds of his own posts and edit them out if all he is doing is mere parody?

[Alf'Omega]

Did you ask Alec? I was not there.

If he pointed a real gun at someone and pulled the trigger, his expectations are not relevant. The probability of something unexpected is not zero.

It does not matter one F'ing bit what he expected. The risk he took, when he pulled that trigger, matters. His expectation does not F'ing matter. His RISK matters.

Can't you answer a simple question?

You too? Didn't you hear Doc? He's just doing a parody! We've all been owned by this genius troll.

Except for the one who spent time responding to him. They're just using him as a foil.

[Tinfoilhat]

Can't you answer a simple question?

You too? Didn't you hear Doc? He's just doing a parody! We've all been owned by this genius troll.

I love Cultellus post. Why do you have so much hatred in your heart?

[Moksha]

I generally use him as a foil.

Both tin and aluminum can be useful as helmets to keep psychiatrists and the CIA from reading your thoughts.

[Tinfoilhat]

I see no correlation with "leftist rhetoric" but even if this is true then you need to preach to Res Ipsa who apparently takes him seriously on this issue since he's written more in response. I've just dismissed him as a moron, whether he thinks he's being a successful troll or not. If you think this is "funny" then yeah, we have different humor genes or whatever. I think it is stupid. I mean six F'ing pages already and this doesn't even scratch the surface of his hundreds of similar posts many of which he's deleted.

The difference is, Cultellus doesn’t get under my skin. At all. When I argue with him, it’s because I want to make a point and Cam is correct — I generally use him as a foil.

You, however, let him get under your skin and use him as an excuse to vent your spleen. Why do you care that this thread is six pages long? Are pixels in short supply? Are we running out of space on the server?

People post what they want to post. That’s part and parcel of a venue that values free speech. If a thread doesn’t interest you, stop reading it and don’t post in it.

But for heavens sake, don’t claim that your thin skinned rage has anything to do with me.

Great post. I think the poster Atlanticmike also gets under Alf Omega's skin. Isn't AM the reason Icarus started posting as Alf Omega?

[Tinfoilhat]

The difference is, Cultellus doesn’t get under my skin. At all. When I argue with him, it’s because I want to make a point and Cam is correct — I generally use him as a foil.

Your well reasoned and elaborate responses to Cult demonstrated that you didn't think he was just trolling. After reading through several pages of him doubling down on his stupid "it wasn't an accident" argument, I responded with a mere quip, calling him a moron. It could have ended there. But apparently my quip got under your skins! Someone even edited out my post which is an all-time first for Spirit Paradise.

Doc jumps in and implies I'm too dense to understand Cult doesn't believe his own BS. He said that he was just being "funny" by trying to adopt "leftist rhetoric." And when I disagree, it cannot be because we can agree to disagree. No. In Doc's mind, unless I agree with him on all points, I must have something "wrong" with me. That's just one of those unflattering character traits he has.

I called Cult a moron and left it at that because unlike some here, I don't waste a lot of time on stupidity. But then you guys turned this into another one of your psychoanalytical BS points about how well grounded you are compared to others here. Give me a F'ing break. People here including you have actually been trying to ARGUE with someone you're now claiming is just trying to be funny! But at the same time you want to say it is me who is taking him too serious. You can't have it both ways. (Oh wait, now you can. Just say you're using him as FOIL!)

All you're doing is enabling this moron to continue with his idiotic posting habits because now you've indicated to him it is appreciated as legit humor. Well, I see no humor in any of this and if you do, then something is wrong with you. Personally I think it is disgusting that anyone is gleefully attacking a man who is clearly remorseful and going through mental anguish over a tragic accident. I personally can't even imagine what one must go through knowing he or she took a life. There are people who who kill intentionally and still it changes them inside for life.

Cult's argument that no one aims a gun and fires it on a movie set is nothing short of dumb. Anyone who has seen virtually any movie knows this is not true. The John Wick series alone fired something like 1,500 rounds aimed directly at people, mostly at short range. Keanu Reeves had to go through intensive firearm training so these were real guns being used. Anyone who has watched classics like Deer Hunter knows that the Christopher Walken scene wasn't CGI.

The only reason this is a thread is because Baldwin is despised by Trumpers. That's it. If this were an NRA supporting Gun instructor who got killed by a 9 year old girl because he gave her an Uzi, it wouldn't even register on his radar as something worth mentioning.

You may want to take your blood pressure.

[Alf'Omega]

Great post. I think the poster Atlanticmike also gets under Alf Omega's skin. Isn't AM the reason Icarus started posting as Alf Omega?

The irony. You're literally using a sock puppet to whine, incorrectly, as to why I changed mine.

As I explained to Res Ipsa some time ago, I didn't remember my password for Icarus. I had automatic login set up on the laptop so it was saved on my browser until my wife deleted all the cookies. The email address I used to open Icarus was an email with a brokerage I no longer work with, so I had no way of retrieving my password to sign in as Icarus. Hence, Alf' who was my favorite poster of all time on the ZLMB board back in 2000-2005. I hadn't seen him since then as he rarely ever posted, and I didn't realize there were so many folks who remembered him twenty years later otherwise I would have chosen something else.

You and your 47 sock puppets don't get under my skin, I just wish you'd go away so the forum could get back to doing what it was supposed to be designed for. Actual discussions.

But you stated from the outset that your purpose for being here was to be a bull in a china shop. You see this as some kind of Liberal haven, which it isn't, and so you're here to bombard us with LARGE CAPPED THREADS loaded with youtube videos with absolutely zero intention of carrying on a serious conversations about issues that matter. In a sane world, the owner of the board would step up and show some balls by putting his foot down and say "this behavior defeats the purpose of my board and I'm not going to tolerate it." But that's not here.

So congratulations. That's some life you must lead. You, your 47 sock puppets, and CULT, the idiot who is do dedicated to is craft that he waded through hundreds of his own posts just to edit them out. Because, you know, that's what people do when they're being satirical.