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Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:21 pm
by Res Ipsa
Here’s an interesting tidbit from the Washington Post:
Bill Davis, a veteran film-set armorer, said Saturday that it was almost certain that Hutchins had been killed by a bullet. Blanks fire wax plugs, he said, which dissolve from the heat of firing and would not be able to penetrate a bone or inner organ — though at a distance of under 20 feet, particles from a blank can cause skin and eye damage.
So, questions. Why was there live ammo on the set at all? How could the same thing have happened three times? I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but I might be smelling a rat.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:22 pm
by Res Ipsa
Yeah, I should have announced it in advance.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:23 pm
by drumdude
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:21 pm
So, questions. Why was there live ammo on the set at all? How could the same thing have happened three times? I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but I might be smelling a rat.
The alt-right is already running with a conspiracy theory that the victim was related to the Clintons' enemies
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm
by Cultellus
drumdude wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:23 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:21 pm
So, questions. Why was there live ammo on the set at all? How could the same thing have happened three times? I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but I might be smelling a rat.
The alt-right is already running with a conspiracy theory that the victim was related to the Clintons' enemies
Totally. But unfortunately, the alt-left is already running a conspiracy conspiracy theory theory that the victim was related to the Clinton’s enemies.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:44 pm
by drumdude
Cultellus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm
drumdude wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:23 pm
The alt-right is already running with a conspiracy theory that the victim was related to the Clintons' enemies
Totally. But unfortunately, the alt-left is already running a conspiracy conspiracy theory theory that the victim was related to the Clinton’s enemies.
Got this off an alt-right website. I'm sure it was an alt-left plant
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Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:51 pm
by Cultellus
Just to be clear here. I am not a lawyer. I love wombats. Thanks for the prize.
Descriptions and definitions of accidents may apply here, but, again, the discharge of the gun, to me, was no accident. An accident can coexist with negligence.
In my opinion, this is all gross negligence, including gross negligence on the part of the shooter. He pointed it, he pulled the trigger, he shot a loaded gun.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:58 pm
by Jersey Girl
Cultellus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:51 pm
In my opinion, this is all gross negligence, including gross negligence on the part of the shooter. He pointed it, he pulled the trigger, he shot a loaded gun.
I'm going to say that it's negligence on the part of the shooter if he were acting outside of established protocols on set.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:26 pm
by Res Ipsa
Cultellus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:51 pm
Just to be clear here. I am not a lawyer. I love wombats. Thanks for the prize.
Descriptions and definitions of accidents may apply here, but, again, the discharge of the gun, to me, was no accident. An accident can coexist with negligence.
In my opinion, this is all gross negligence, including gross negligence on the part of the shooter. He pointed it, he pulled the trigger, he shot a loaded gun.
You’re welcome. I’m reserving judgment on negligence until I understand the circumstances under which the shooting occurred. They were apparently rehearsing a scene. The victims weren’t in the scene. The director is the person who sets up the shot. So, why was anyone downgrade of the shot? How close were they to Baldwin? Did he actually know they were in the line of fire? Did he intend to pull the trigger as a rehearsal of the shot? Was he joking around? Was he concentrating on some part of the scene and accidentally pulled the trigger? It’s an odd set of facts, and there’s too much missing information for me to make a call at this point.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:34 pm
by Res Ipsa
Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:58 pm
Cultellus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:51 pm
In my opinion, this is all gross negligence, including gross negligence on the part of the shooter. He pointed it, he pulled the trigger, he shot a loaded gun.
I'm going to say that it's negligence on the part of the shooter if he were acting outside of established protocols on set.
I think that’s fair. A reasonable person when handling a firearm on a movie set would follow the safety rules or protocols. Regardless of rules or protocols, if Baldwin intentionally pulled the trigger knowing that the gun was aimed at anyone, I’d argue he was negligent. in my opinion, a reasonable person would never intentionally pull the trigger while the gun is aimed at another person.
Re: Uh, Alec Baldwin just shot and killed someone
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:36 pm
by Jersey Girl
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:26 pm
Cultellus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:51 pm
Just to be clear here. I am not a lawyer. I love wombats. Thanks for the prize.
Descriptions and definitions of accidents may apply here, but, again, the discharge of the gun, to me, was no accident. An accident can coexist with negligence.
In my opinion, this is all gross negligence, including gross negligence on the part of the shooter. He pointed it, he pulled the trigger, he shot a loaded gun.
You’re welcome. I’m reserving judgment on negligence until I understand the circumstances under which the shooting occurred. They were apparently rehearsing a scene. The victims weren’t in the scene. The director is the person who sets up the shot. So, why was anyone downgrade of the shot? How close were they to Baldwin? Did he actually know they were in the line of fire? Did he intend to pull the trigger as a rehearsal of the shot? Was he joking around? Was he concentrating on some part of the scene and accidentally pulled the trigger? It’s an odd set of facts, and there’s too much missing information for me to make a call at this point.
Did the director want to kill the cinematographer, load the guns with live rounds, and used Alec Baldwin to do the deed?
Sorry, I apparently spend too much time on crime cases.
