Ghislaine Maxwell's Silver Hammer could be a proffer

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:22 pm
It is abuse, even if Mary was over 18.
I’m on board with this. In Christian tradition God is a pederast. It’s a terrible precedent that’s been set by the Catholic and/or proto-Christian faith.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:21 pm
Nothing. You are simply arguing that I am wrong. Had Doctor Steuss not added words to my mouth this new thread wouldn't exists
You said this, in a thread about the conviction of an associate of Jeffrey Epstein:
A Latino Catholic jury would've declared her not guilty on all counts. Christians don't have a problem with god impregnating 14 year old Mary.
No one, least of all me, needed to put any words in your mouth. The statement is unambiguous, and its inference and implication require no exposition.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:55 pm
Your statement about Christians is relevant only if God had sexual intercourse with Mary.
When did God ask for consent? Regardless of the method, Mary never gave him permission to get her pregnant. Ever heard of power dynamics?
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doubtingthomas wrote:
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It is abuse, even if Mary was over 18.
I’m on board with this. In Christian tradition God is a pederast. It’s a terrible precedent that’s been set by the Catholic and/or proto-Christian faith.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:08 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:55 pm
Your statement about Christians is relevant only if God had sexual intercourse with Mary.
When did God ask for consent? Regardless of the method, Mary never gave him permission to get her pregnant. Ever heard of power dynamics?
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I’m on board with this. In Christian tradition God is a pederast. It’s a terrible precedent that’s been set by the Catholic and/or proto-Christian faith.

- Doc
Thank God almighty!!! Finally someone!
Ever hear of moving the goalposts?

ETA: Why do you discount Mary's words of consent as described in Luke? https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archi ... New Testament/266616/
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:10 pm
doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:08 pm


When did God ask for consent? Regardless of the method, Mary never gave him permission to get her pregnant. Ever heard of power dynamics?



Thank God almighty!!! Finally someone!
Ever hear of moving the goalposts?

ETA: Why do you discount Mary's words of consent as described in Luke? https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archi ... New Testament/266616/
Since when can a child morally consent to impregnation by a god? We’d string a man or woman up for having sex with a child. God ain’t getting a pass on this one.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:03 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:10 pm


Ever hear of moving the goalposts?

ETA: Why do you discount Mary's words of consent as described in Luke? https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archi ... New Testament/266616/
Since when can a child morally consent to impregnation by a god? We’d string a man or woman up for having sex with a child. God ain’t getting a pass on this one.

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In my state, a "child" can morally consent to terminate a pregnancy. At what age can a female person morally consent to start a pregnancy and was Mary that age in the Bible stories? I have no idea. As I've been discussing Catholic doctrine, and Catholics do not believe that God had sex with Mary, I don't think having sex with a child applies.

I'm not arguing for giving God a pass. I'm arguing against DT's expressed bigotry against Latino Catholics.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:29 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:03 pm


Since when can a child morally consent to impregnation by a god? We’d string a man or woman up for having sex with a child. God ain’t getting a pass on this one.

- Doc
In my state, a "child" can morally consent to terminate a pregnancy. At what age can a female person morally consent to start a pregnancy and was Mary that age in the Bible stories? I have no idea. As I've been discussing Catholic doctrine, and Catholics do not believe that God had sex with Mary, I don't think having sex with a child applies.

I'm not arguing for giving God a pass. I'm arguing against DT's expressed bigotry against Latino Catholics.
What does your state’s age of consent laws have to do with the question of morality in as much as it applies to a child who is impregnated by a god? The sheer weightiness of that arrangement is so beyond a child’s mind, and the literal power dynamic between a god and a young ‘maiden’ is so obvious it should render the question of morality moot.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:29 pm
I'm arguing against DT's expressed bigotry against Latino Catholics.
1. For many generations the Catholic church has allowed young girls to marry older men.
"Of the 320,000-plus Mexican girls between the ages of 12 and 17 who are cohabiting, nearly 70% are with a partner who is at least 11 years their senior, according to a report commissioned by the Ford Foundation."
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... -education

2. Mexican Catholics still have a victim blaming culture.
Among Mexican American women living in Arizona, "traditional beliefs related to virginity, sexuality, and victim blaming could be identified, there were signs of modernity as well."
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.117 ... 6399213004
"high frequency with which victims later retract their reports due to family pressures, not being believed, or fear of stigma and shame"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8297106/

It is very unlikely Mexican Catholics would convict Maxwell. It is the truth, not bigotry.

Do you disagree?
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Yes.

Bigotry: obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

You’ve shown no actual evidence that Latino Catholics would ignore jury instructions in a case against Maxwell. Bigotry is exactly what you are posting.
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DT, are you also knowledgeable about the legal age of consent in other countries?

Your obsession with this topic is... well, consistent, at least.

by the way, you are aware (I hope) that there are differences among rape, statutory rape, and legal consent? I find it very hard to believe Mexicans give people a pass on rape or statutory rape due to their "culture."
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