Russian Invasion of Ukraine

The Off-Topic forum for anything non-LDS related, such as sports or politics. Rated PG through PG-13.
User avatar
Some Schmo
God
Posts: 2466
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:21 am

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Some Schmo »

Gadianton wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:39 pm
It's a test on a lot of levels, will he be suspicious and look it up since it's me and not one of his comrades sending the information? I'd be impressed if he did, actually. Will he agree? disagree?
Based on your description of him, it's dubious to think he'd closely read one of your political emails, even if your email had a subject line like, "Think you might like this."

But I'm definitely curious and interested in a follow-up to that story. (by the way, I always enjoy reading these stories about your walks).
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.

The god idea is popular with desperate people.
User avatar
dantana
2nd Counselor
Posts: 420
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:07 am
Location: Joined 7/18/11, so, apparently, position of senior ranking member.

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by dantana »

Looks like maybe somebodies got impatient with waiting for the west to cut off buying Russian oil.

I'll talk out of ignorance now for a minute and say that maybe some other bodies, Germany for instance, who it's said is heavily dependent on Russian oil, should have seen Putin for the madman he is and had a contingency plan.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/explosions-h ... 00211.html

"Russian media reported that the Druzhba oil depot, which is part of the Druzhba pipeline complex, which transports Russian oil to Europe, is on fire."

Anyway, hooray for Ukrainian sabotage, if that is what it is. I'm guessing it might be hard for Russian ratfinks to spot a Ukrainian pretending to be a Russian.
Nobody gets to be a cowboy forever. - Lee Marvin/Monte Walsh
User avatar
Jersey Girl
God
Posts: 6827
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:51 am
Location: In my head

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Jersey Girl »

Look at this stupid article title on CNN. Does anyone else get like brain zaps from this stuff? I mean like when you pull back the lens and realize what is actually going on while you sit in your nice house here in the US trying to be at least somewhat civilized?

Ukrainian commander says 'enemy' broke into steel plant during battles

It's 2022. Why are we having 'battles' to start with? Use your freaking words for god sakes.
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF

Slava Ukraini!
User avatar
Jersey Girl
God
Posts: 6827
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:51 am
Location: In my head

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Jersey Girl »

Digging this uber rich guy. I don't think he should be cut any slack legally but what do I know. If he can do what he's doing in exile, I think he can keep doing it.

Oil baron unleashes vast wealth to fight Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTVW-zKeXjc
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF

Slava Ukraini!
User avatar
Jersey Girl
God
Posts: 6827
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:51 am
Location: In my head

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Jersey Girl »

Um. WOW. No punches pulled in this well deserved criticism/dressing down. :shock:
A 20-year veteran of Russia's diplomatic service announced his resignation Monday in protest of his country's war on Ukraine, multiple media outlets reported.

In a rare public protest by a Russian official, Boris Bondarev, a diplomat posted to Russia's mission to the United Nations in Geneva, posted a statement on a LinkedIn account condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and criticizing the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for complicity in what he described as an an "aggressive war" — language that is proscribed in Russia under wartime censorship laws.

"For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year," Bondarev wrote, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to invade Ukraine. "The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country."

The respected Russian business newspaper Kommersant reached out to Bondarev, who confirmed the authenticity of the post. The New York Times confirmed the receipt of a resignation sent by email to diplomats in Geneva.

The Russian mission to the UN in Geneva declined to comment on the matter to CNN, and Bondarev did not respond to messages sent to the LinkedIn account.

The post on LinkedIn lambasted Russia's leadership for corruption, saying, "Those who conceived this war want only one thing - to remain in power forever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian Navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity. To achieve that they are willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes. Thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have already died just for this."

It also singled out the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for harsh criticism.

"I regret to admit that over all these twenty years the level of lies and unprofessionalism in the work of the Foreign Ministry has been increasing all the time. However, in most recent years, this has become simply catastrophic. Instead of unbiased information, impartial analysis and sober forecasting, there are propaganda clichés in the spirit of Soviet newspapers of the 1930s," the post read.

"Today, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not about diplomacy. It is all about warmongering, lies and hatred. It serves interests of few, the very few people thus contributing to further isolation and degradation of my country. Russia no longer has allies, and there is no one to blame but its reckless and ill-conceived policy," the post continued.

The LinkedIn profile describes Bondarev as a veteran of Russian diplomatic service, with expertise in arms control and nonproliferation. The picture on the profile now has the hashtag #opentowork.

The US State Department said Monday that Bondarev's resignation shows that “despite the Kremlin’s propaganda, there are Russians who profoundly disagree with what President Putin is doing in Ukraine and share our concern about the danger he is creating for the entire global community.”

A State Department spokesperson said it was encouraging that “many are willing to stand up to” Putin and noted that “it takes immense bravery to stand up to an oppressor, and it requires courage to speak truth to power, especially given the Russian government’s long and terrible track record of attempting to silence legitimate and peaceful protests and dissent.”

“Plummeting morale is clearly not limited to Russia’s military forces fighting in Ukraine,” they said.

“Boris Bondarev’s statement underscores that people around the world, including in Russia and even within the Russian government, are recognizing the brutality of the Kremlin’s assault on the Ukrainian people,” the spokesperson said. “They are doing so despite the Kremlin’s best efforts to manufacture and perpetuate disinformation.”
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ru ... 98e83d1951
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF

Slava Ukraini!
User avatar
MeDotOrg
2nd Quorum of 70
Posts: 686
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 pm
Location: San Francisco

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by MeDotOrg »

From CNN:
Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law scrapping the upper age limit for Russians and foreigners to join the military as contract service members, according to Russian state news agency TASS.

Russia’s State Duma passed the bill on Wednesday but Putin's signature was needed for it to become law.

Previously, citizens aged 18 to 40 and foreigners aged 18 to 30 could enlist in the Russian military.

The changes were drafted by the head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Andrei Kartapolov, and his first deputy, Andrei Krasov. According to TASS, they believe the abolition of an upper age limit will attract specialists in areas such as medical support, engineering and communications.
So the 'police action' requires lifting the age limit for Army enlistment? It's almost amusing seeing Russia announce this with no sense of irony.

The reality is that Russia is running out of young people, certainly young people who want to serve in the military. Russia's birthrate is 1.5 per female. Most western countries have a lower than replacement (2.0 per female) birthrate. The U.S. is 1.7, for example. But we have immigrants. People are leaving Russia in droves, and those who are staying are the poorest, least educated Russians.

To be blunt, Russia has shot their wad in this war. They lack the capacity to replace their hardware and their manpower.
The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization.
- Will Durant
"Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist."
- Edwin Land
User avatar
Jersey Girl
God
Posts: 6827
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:51 am
Location: In my head

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Jersey Girl »

Mok was it you who was watching 1420? Boy did he ask the right question this time! Nothing short of brilliant! Because of the way he framed this question, they were able to speak surreptitiously on Ukraine AND Putin!

Should we take Alaska back from USA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1uoQBfDEI
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF

Slava Ukraini!
User avatar
Xenophon
Savior (resurrected state)
Posts: 998
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:29 pm

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Xenophon »

Xenophon wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:26 am
At this point I believe Putin has shown regardless of what we choose to do invasion was a foregone conclusion. Regardless of what NATO said the goal was the same. The eye has been on Ukraine for a while and for a myriad of reasons Russia has decided now is the time.
Bumping this older thread with some new information: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 022-09-14/

From the article:
Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
Asked about Reuters findings, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "That has absolutely no relation to reality. No such thing ever happened. It is absolutely incorrect information."
Which I'm reading as "this is absolutely true but how dare you ask about it and where the hell did you hear it from"

Changes the narrative for a lot of those folks who said, if only Ukraine would make some concessions.
He/Him

“If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation.”
― Xenophon
Gunnar
God
Posts: 2338
Joined: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:32 pm
Location: California

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Gunnar »

Jake Broe has an interesting take on the most likely ending to Putin's "special military operation." According to him, "Ukraine will not win this war militarily (there is a better way)."
Russia is concealing the true size of their mobilization and it is more likely 1.2 million Russian men are being sent to Ukraine to fight. If this happens, it will be very difficult for the Ukrainian military to push them all out. What is far more likely to happen is an economic collapse and political revolution in Russia that leads to the withdrawal of the Russian military.
After analyzing charts showing current trends like inflation rates, interest rates, demographics etc., he suggests 4 likely possibilities for how the Ukraine fiasco might end.

1) FSB removes Putin and takes control.

2) Military removes Putin and takes control.

3) Protesters reach critical mass.

4) Russia breaks up (War lords take control).

See the video further breaking down how each of these scenarios will progress. Each of the above scenarios, according to him, will result in all Russian troops being removed from Ukraine and restoring Ukraine's 2014 borders, at least, and perhaps restoring even Crimea to Ukraine's control.
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
Dr Exiled
God
Posts: 1602
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:40 pm

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Post by Dr Exiled »

Gunnar wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:50 pm
Jake Broe has an interesting take on the most likely ending to Putin's "special military operation." According to him, "Ukraine will not win this war militarily (there is a better way)."
Russia is concealing the true size of their mobilization and it is more likely 1.2 million Russian men are being sent to Ukraine to fight. If this happens, it will be very difficult for the Ukrainian military to push them all out. What is far more likely to happen is an economic collapse and political revolution in Russia that leads to the withdrawal of the Russian military.
After analyzing charts showing current trends like inflation rates, interest rates, demographics etc., he suggests 4 likely possibilities for how the Ukraine fiasco might end.

1) FSB removes Putin and takes control.

2) Military removes Putin and takes control.

3) Protesters reach critical mass.

4) Russia breaks up (War lords take control).

See the video further breaking down how each of these scenarios will progress. Each of the above scenarios, according to him, will result in all Russian troops being removed from Ukraine and restoring Ukraine's 2014 borders, at least, and perhaps restoring even Crimea to Ukraine's control.
Do we know how other political leaders in Russia think? Is Putin an outlier or does he share the same opinions as the other politicians? Also, seems like Putin is pretty quick to jail rivals so, how likely is a political coup there when the opposition is in jail? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62092196
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
Post Reply