January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'

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The film proves Scalise was lying or deaf.
No, Scalise can hear. He was simply demonstrating how Trump has made almost all Republicans into full-fledged liars. Not because lying is necessary, but because lying is just something Republicans now do as second nature.
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Hvae the LDS leadership come out in their position on Jan 6th?
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Hvae the LDS leadership come out in their position on Jan 6th?
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I think that this makes a double bottom truckload of sense. An entire convoy even. Bolded the crux of what he's forwarding.

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Chris Christie knows what makes Donald Trump tick.

Which is why it’s worth listening to the former New Jersey governor – and onetime Trump ally – when he explains why he thinks the former President kept classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home after leaving the White House.

“I think it’s much more likely that they’re a trophy, that he walks around and says, ‘Look, I’ve got this, I’ve got this classified document or that,’” Christie said during an appearance on ABC’s “This Week.” “Because, remember something, he can’t believe he’s not president. He can’t believe he still doesn’t get these documents. And he needs to display to everybody down at Mar-a-Lago, or up in Bedminster during the summer, that he still has some of those trappings.”

Which is super interesting!

I think for many people – especially some Democrats – the guiding belief is that Trump kept all sorts of classified documents because he was (or is) up to something nefarious.

What Christie is proposing seems to me to be much more plausible.

Consider that so much of what Trump does is for the sake of appearances. What matters to him is how people perceive things, not how they actually are.

Put another way: He has spent a lifetime playing the role of “Donald Trump.” And his four years as president was the crowning moment in that lifetime role. He simply won’t – or can’t – accept that he no longer has that power and influence.

It’s why he continues to push debunked election fraud conspiracies. And it’s why he continues to act – for his base – like he is still president. Being able to, in the course of a conversation, to say to someone (using Christie’s words) “I’ve got this classified document” helps preserve the illusion that Trump remains, at some level, still in power. He still (at least his own mind) has the trappings of being president, which allows him to act (and more importantly be regarded) as president.

To be clear: The reasons why Trump decided to keep classified materials at Mar-a-Lago to is largely irrelevant as part of the ongoing Department of Justice investigation into his retention of those documents. Trump did what he did and the DOJ investigation is less interested in the “why” than the “what.”

But as a way to understand Trump’s psyche, Christie’s observation is invaluable. Trump is deeply invested in continuing to appear as though he is president. The retention of classified documents just make him sound and seem like he is still important.

Again, how things LOOK matters much more to Trump than how things ARE. Always has, always will.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:32 pm
I think that this makes a double bottom truckload of sense. An entire convoy even. Bolded the crux of what he's forwarding.
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Chris Christie knows what makes Donald Trump tick....

But as a way to understand Trump’s psyche, Christie’s observation is invaluable. Trump is deeply invested in continuing to appear as though he is president. The retention of classified documents just make him sound and seem like he is still important.

Again, how things LOOK matters much more to Trump than how things ARE. Always has, always will.
I don't know... is he carrying classified documents around with him so he can show them off when he gets a chance?

That seems like an exceptionally weak explanation to me. I think Christy is trying to downplay Trump's motivation, leveraging the fact that Trump's a narcissist. Sure, on the surface, it's believable (I mean, yeah, Trump is that stupid), but I think it's more likely he thought he could gain financially from the docs somehow. Remember, he's not above selling out the US for his own gain. He loves doing that, in fact.
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Maggie Haberman in an interview with Trevor Noah that Trumps father was the reason for some of Trump's cruelty and support of violence.
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Some Schmo wrote:
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I don't know... is he carrying classified documents around with him so he can show them off when he gets a chance?
Like Herschel Walker carrying a fake badge? Herschel Walker would be unable to sell the fake badge to foreign powers, unlike the stolen nuclear secrets Trump was hiding.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:52 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:32 pm
I think that this makes a double bottom truckload of sense. An entire convoy even. Bolded the crux of what he's forwarding.
I don't know... is he carrying classified documents around with him so he can show them off when he gets a chance?
Um....kinda sorta. Yeah. But only if you believe Bob Woodward or Trump's voice on tape.

Trump showed classified Kim Jong Un letter to journalist

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Judge Carter orders Eastman emails to January 6th committee under the crime-fraud exception to attorney client privilege.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .372.0.pdf

Trump signed under oath a verification on numbers he knew were not accurate for voter fraud after being made aware they were not accurate.

Edited to fix the URL as noted below
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Dwight wrote:
Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:52 pm
Judge Carter orders Eastman emails to January 6th committee under the crime-fraud exception to attorney client privilege.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 0.372.0.pd

Trump signed under oath a verification on numbers he knew were not accurate for voter fraud after being made aware they were not accurate.
The correct address is

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .372.0.pdf
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