January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'

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Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'

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Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:53 pm
You need to listen to "Justice Corrupted," by Ted Cruz and listen to some of the nonanswers given in the Senate confirmation and oversight hearings. Justice in America is partisan and political. It doesn't matter so much what you did but rather what your political ideology you support.

Senator Cruz: What is the average bail amount, prison time, given to BLM protesters in 2020? What is the average bail amount or prison time for Jan. 6 protesters?

Deep state DOJ swamp representative: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe it’s time to put down Cruz’s propaganda, and do a little of your own fact finding.

It’s a common refrain from some of those charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies: The Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views while those arrested during last year’s protests over racial injustice were given leniency.

Court records tell a different story.

An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.

The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more.

The dissonance between the rhetoric of Capitol rioters and their supporters and the record established by courts highlights both the racial tension inherent in their arguments — the pro-Donald Trump rioters were largely white and last summer’s protesters were more diverse — and the flawed assessment at the heart of their claims.

“The property damage or accusations of arson and looting from last year, those were serious and they were dealt with seriously, but they weren’t an attack on the very core constitutional processes that we rely on in a democracy, nor were they an attack on the United States Congress,” said Kent Greenfield, a professor at Boston College Law School.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:53 pm
You need to listen to "Justice Corrupted," by Ted Cruz and listen to some of the nonanswers given in the Senate confirmation and oversight hearings. Justice in America is partisan and political. It doesn't matter so much what you did but rather what your political ideology you support.

Senator Cruz: What is the average bail amount, prison time, given to BLM protesters in 2020? What is the average bail amount or prison time for Jan. 6 protesters?

Deep state DOJ swamp representative: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Good gravy, did they not teach math, or logic at Ted Cruz's school? Lol.

I do want to genuinely know something though:

Do you not remember when I showed you the magnitude of arrests and convictions, both on the state and federal level, including charges pursued against BLM protestors by the Biden administration, years after the fact? The hundreds of federal convictions? The thousand+ state charges brought about by liberal District Attorneys?

Seriously, have you forgotten?

On the offhand that you actually forgot... There have been more people charged in connection to BLM protests than the January 6th insurrection. There have been more people arrested in connection to BLM protests than the January 6th insurrection.

Knowing this now (again), are you saying that Ted Cruz is a swamp representative, and the DOJ is a conservative weapon used against liberals?


ETA: For fun, I was looking through TPP's database. Since Biden's inauguration, there have been an additional 26 arrests and indictments for people involved in the summer of 2020 BLM riots. Three of those were in the super-leftist-socialist-marxist District of Columbia.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:28 pm
Do you not remember when I showed you …

Seriously, have you forgotten?
Lol. Man, if you think that turd bird even looked at anything you posted that exceeded a handful of words, you’re kidding yourself. The absolutely inviolate traits of a magatard is incurious behavior and a total and complete rejection of psychological logos.

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:28 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:53 pm
You need to listen to "Justice Corrupted," by Ted Cruz and listen to some of the nonanswers given in the Senate confirmation and oversight hearings. Justice in America is partisan and political. It doesn't matter so much what you did but rather what your political ideology you support.

Senator Cruz: What is the average bail amount, prison time, given to BLM protesters in 2020? What is the average bail amount or prison time for Jan. 6 protesters?

Deep state DOJ swamp representative: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Good gravy, did they not teach math, or logic at Ted Cruz's school? Lol.

I do want to genuinely know something though:

Do you not remember when I showed you the magnitude of arrests and convictions, both on the state and federal level, including charges pursued against BLM protestors by the Biden administration, years after the fact? The hundreds of federal convictions? The thousand+ state charges brought about by liberal District Attorneys?

Seriously, have you forgotten?

On the offhand that you actually forgot... There have been more people charged in connection to BLM protests than the January 6th insurrection. There have been more people arrested in connection to BLM protests than the January 6th insurrection.

Knowing this now (again), are you saying that Ted Cruz is a swamp representative, and the DOJ is a conservative weapon used against liberals?


ETA: For fun, I was looking through TPP's database. Since Biden's inauguration, there have been an additional 26 arrests and indictments for people involved in the summer of 2020 BLM riots. Three of those were in the super-leftist-socialist-marxist District of Columbia.
Why would the department of Justice not know the numbers, not even a ballpark estimate? And even worse, Merrick Garland formally refused to release those statistics by mail.
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— the pro-Donald Trump rioters were largely white and last summer’s protesters were more diverse — and the flawed assessment at the heart of their claims.
Except for Mr. Epps who kept urging the Jan 6 protesters to go into the capital building. Most the Trump supporters at the Jan 6 march knew right away he was a federal undercover agent. As with the case in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping, when an undercover federal agent suggests and urges a citizen to commit a criminal act, that is entrapment and it's illegal.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:28 pm
Why would the department of Justice not know the numbers, not even a ballpark estimate?
I don't know. It could be that in a department with almost 25,000 employees involved in criminal investigations, there's only a limited amount of recall a single departmental individual has on the spot.
And even worse, Merrick Garland formally refused to release those statistics by mail.
I don't know anything about this, but the statistics have been plainly available enough for multiple organizations to compile and report on them (as has been demonstrated before, and in this thread). I don't know that it's Merrick Garland's fault that people ignore the availability of this information.


So... you forgot, or you didn't forget?
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:32 pm
— the pro-Donald Trump rioters were largely white and last summer’s protesters were more diverse — and the flawed assessment at the heart of their claims.
Except for Mr. Epps who kept urging the Jan 6 protesters to go into the capital building. Most the Trump supporters at the Jan 6 march knew right away he was a federal undercover agent. As with the case in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping, when an undercover federal agent suggests and urges a citizen to commit a criminal act, that is entrapment and it's illegal.
Except that this, too, has been debunked.
Prominent Republicans — including former President Donald J. Trump — have for months promoted a conspiracy theory that an Arizona man named Ray Epps was a federal informant who helped to instigate the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The claims, made in congressional hearing rooms, on Fox News and at Mr. Trump’s political rallies, have largely been based on a video taken just before violence erupted at the Capitol, showing Mr. Epps at the barricades outside the building whispering into the ear of a man named Ryan Samsel.

Within moments of the brief exchange, Mr. Samsel, a Pennsylvania barber, can be seen moving forward and confronting the police in what amounted to the tipping point of the riot. Despite lacking proof for their claims, many Republicans have surmised that Mr. Epps instructed Mr. Samsel to antagonize the officers. They have also pushed the notion that because Mr. Epps has not been arrested, he must have been working for the government.

But for more than a year, well before the name Ray Epps was widely known in right-wing circles, federal authorities have had information — from both him and Mr. Samsel — suggesting that he was not a government agent and did not encourage the younger man to engage with the police that day.

Just two days after the attack, when Mr. Epps saw himself on a list of suspects from Jan. 6, he called an F.B.I. tip line and told investigators that he had tried to calm Mr. Samsel down when they spoke, according to three people who have heard a recording of the call. Mr. Epps went on to say that he explained to Mr. Samsel that the police outside the building were merely doing their jobs, the people said.

Jan. 6 Attendees: To many of those who attended the Trump rally but never breached the Capitol, that date wasn’t a dark day for the nation. It was a new start.
Then in late January of last year, in an interview with the F.B.I., Mr. Samsel said much the same thing, telling investigators that a man he did not know came up to him at the barricades and suggested he relax, according to a recording of the interview obtained by The New York Times.

“He came up to me and he said, ‘Dude’ — his entire words were, ‘Relax, the cops are doing their job,’” Mr. Samsel said.

The theories surrounding Mr. Epps have been debunked before, most notably after he spoke last year to investigators working with the House select committee examining the Jan. 6 attack. During the interview, committee officials said, Mr. Epps said that he was not an F.B.I. informant and denied reports that he had urged protesters to go into the Capitol at the behest of federal law enforcement agencies.
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Someone on r/politics summarized the report:
This Report supplies an immense volume of information and testimony assembled through the Select Committee’s investigation, including information obtained following litigation in Federal district and appellate courts, as well as in the U.S. Supreme Court. Based upon this assembled evidence, the Committee has reached a series of specific findings, including the following:

1. Beginning election night and continuing through January 6th and thereafter, Donald Trump purposely disseminated false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 Presidential election in order to aid his effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions. These false claims provoked his supporters to violence on January 6th.

2. Knowing that he and his supporters had lost dozens of election lawsuits, and despite his own senior advisors refuting his election fraud claims and urging him to concede his election loss, Donald Trump refused to accept the lawful result of the 2020 election. Rather than honor his constitutional obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” President Trump instead plotted to overturn the election outcome.

3. Despite knowing that such an action would be illegal, and that no State had or would submit an altered electoral slate, Donald Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes during Congress’s joint session on January 6th.

4. Donald Trump sought to corrupt the U.S. Department of Justice by attempting to enlist Department officials to make purposely false statements and thereby aid his effort to overturn the Presidential election. After that effort failed, Donald Trump offered the position of Acting Attorney General to Jeff Clark knowing that Clark intended to disseminate false information aimed at overturning the election.

5. Without any evidentiary basis and contrary to State and Federal law, Donald Trump unlawfully pressured State officials and legislators to change the results of the election in their States.

6.Donald Trump oversaw an effort to obtain and transmit false electoral certificates to Congress and the National Archives.

7. Donald Trump pressured Members of Congress to object to valid slates of electors from several States.

8. Donald Trump purposely verified false information filed in Federal court.

9. Based on false allegations that the election was stolen, Donald Trump summoned tens of thousands of supporters to Washington for January 6th. Although these supporters were angry and some were armed, Donald Trump instructed them to march to the Capitol on January 6th to “take back” their country.

10. Knowing that a violent attack on the Capitol was underway and knowing that his words would incite further violence, Donald Trump purposely sent a social media message publicly condemning Vice President Pence at 2:24 p.m. on January 6th.

11. Knowing that violence was underway at the Capitol, and despite his duty to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed, Donald Trump refused repeated requests over a multiple hour period that he instruct his violent supporters to disperse and leave the Capitol, and instead watched the violent attack unfold on television. This failure to act perpetuated the violence at the Capitol and obstructed Congress’s proceeding to count electoral votes.

12. Each of these actions by Donald Trump was taken in support of a multi-part conspiracy to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 Presidential election.

13. The intelligence community and law enforcement agencies did successfully detect the planning for potential violence on January 6th, including planning specifically by the Proud Boys and Oath Keeper militia groups who ultimately led the attack on the Capitol. As January 6th approached, the intelligence specifically identified the potential for violence at the U.S. Capitol. This intelligence was shared within the executive branch, including with the Secret Service and the President’s National Security Council.

14. Intelligence gathered in advance of January 6th did not support a conclusion that Antifa or other left-wing groups would likely engage in a violent counter-demonstration, or attack Trump supporters on January 6th. Indeed, intelligence from January 5th indicated that some left-wing groups were instructing their members to “stay at home” and not attend on January 6th.20 Ultimately, none of these groups was involved to any material extent with the attack on the Capitol on January 6th.

15. Neither the intelligence community nor law enforcement obtained intelligence in advance of January 6th on the full extent of the ongoing planning by President Trump, John Eastman, Rudolph Giuliani and their associates to overturn the certified election results. Such agencies apparently did not (and potentially could not) anticipate the provocation President Trump would offer the crowd in his Ellipse speech, that President Trump would “spontaneously” instruct the crowd to march to the Capitol, that President Trump would exacerbate the violent riot by sending his 2:24 p.m. tweet condemning Vice President Pence, or the full scale of the violence and lawlessness that would ensue. Nor did law enforcement anticipate that President Trump would refuse to direct his supporters to leave the Capitol once violence began. No intelligence community advance analysis predicted exactly how President Trump would behave; no such analysis recognized the full scale and extent of the threat to the Capitol on January 6th.

16. Hundreds of Capitol and DC Metropolitan police officers performed their duties bravely on January 6th, and America owes those individuals immense gratitude for their courage in the defense of Congress and our Constitution. Without their bravery, January 6th would have been far worse. Although certain members of the Capitol Police leadership regarded their approach to January 6th as “all hands on deck,” the Capitol Police leadership did not have sufficient assets in place to address the violent and lawless crowd.21 Capitol Police leadership did not anticipate the scale of the violence that would ensue after President Trump instructed tens of thousands of his supporters in the Ellipse crowd to march to the Capitol, and then tweeted at 2:24 p.m. Although Chief Steven Sund raised the idea of National Guard support, the Capitol Police Board did not request Guard assistance prior to January 6th. The Metropolitan Police took an even more proactive approach to January 6th, and deployed roughly 800 officers, including responding to the emergency calls for help at the Capitol. Rioters still managed to break their line in certain locations, when the crowd surged forward in the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump’s 2:24 p.m. tweet. The Department of Justice readied a group of Federal agents at Quantico and in the District of Columbia, anticipating that January 6th could become violent, and then deployed those agents once it became clear that police at the Capitol were overwhelmed. Agents from the Department of Homeland Security were also deployed to assist.

17. President Trump had authority and responsibility to direct deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, but never gave any order to deploy the National Guard on January 6th or on any other day. Nor did he instruct any Federal law enforcement agency to assist. Because the authority to deploy the National Guard had been delegated to the Department of Defense, the Secretary of Defense could, and ultimately did deploy the Guard. Although evidence identifies a likely miscommunication between members of the civilian leadership in the Department of Defense impacting the timing of deployment, the Committee has found no evidence that the Department of Defense intentionally delayed deployment of the National Guard. The Select Committee recognizes that some at the Department had genuine concerns, counseling caution, that President Trump might give an illegal order to use the military in support of his efforts to overturn the election.
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Hope Hicks burned Trump big time.
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Wonder if Rep. George Santo might be a potential contender for Republican Speaker of the House?
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