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Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:58 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
I think that’s fair. Hearsay is terrible for this kind of venue, and if first-hand witnesses set the record straight (assuming they’re not fibbing) then it’s an overall positive. It was a big misstep to allow hearsay into the record, and Trumpers will reeeeee over this ignoring all the facts that have heretofore been presented.
- Doc
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:01 pm
by Res Ipsa
Thanks, Dr. Exiled. That's all that I'd been able to find as well -- I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. So, anonymous source that is not either of the agents who were parties to the conversation and who is not in the Secret Service. I'm pretty sure Engle gave a deposition to the committee. The other party to the conversation may have as well. Given the obvious motives of Trumps supporters to discredit a pretty devastating witness, I'm gonna take this with a grain of salt until the other parties to the conversation weigh in on the record.
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:05 pm
by Res Ipsa
Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:13 pm
Xenophon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:04 pm
Does the construction have a scheduled completion date or are you just "prepared to" build it?
It's shovel ready.
***frantically thinks of ways he can suck up to Steuss***
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:13 pm
by Jersey Girl
Quick note. Engel has already testified previously to the J6 committee. A Newsweek article I read last night says his testimony is consistent with that of Hutchinson though he didn't mention the physical advances made by Trump. It's not much of an article but here it is...
https://www.newsweek.com/cassidy-hutchi ... el-1720148
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:22 pm
by Res Ipsa
Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:13 pm
Quick note. Engel has already testified previously to the J6 committee. A Newsweek article I read last night says his testimony is consistent with that of Hutchinson though he didn't mention the physical advances made by Trump. It's not much of an article but here it is...
https://www.newsweek.com/cassidy-hutchi ... el-1720148
Thanks, Jersey Girl. That's what I was remembering, but I didn't have a source.
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm
by Vēritās
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:58 pm
I think that’s fair. Hearsay is terrible for this kind of venue, and if first-hand witnesses set the record straight (assuming they’re not fibbing) then it’s an overall positive. It was a big misstep to allow hearsay into the record, and Trumpers will reeeeee over this ignoring all the facts that have heretofore been presented.
- Doc
Oh you can bank on that. In fact last night out of curiosity I checked out the FOX News website just to see if they were even covering it, and way down at the bottom of the page they only mentioned that Hutchinson's testimony was negated by two secret servicemen.
But let's wait and see if this was a misstep. They may not be denying her account or maybe they'll deny only some aspects of it.
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:13 pm
by Res Ipsa
Vēritās wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:58 pm
I think that’s fair. Hearsay is terrible for this kind of venue, and if first-hand witnesses set the record straight (assuming they’re not fibbing) then it’s an overall positive. It was a big misstep to allow hearsay into the record, and Trumpers will reeeeee over this ignoring all the facts that have heretofore been presented.
- Doc
Oh you can bank on that. In fact last night out of curiosity I checked out the FOX News website just to see if they were even covering it, and way down at the bottom of the page they only mentioned that Hutchinson's testimony was negated by two secret servicemen.
But let's wait and see if this was a misstep. They may not be denying her account or maybe they'll deny only some aspects of it.
Trumpers gonna Trump, not matter what you do. If there are any criminal prosecutions, lots of folks are going to learn they don't understand what hearsay is or that the hearsay rule is riddled with exceptions.
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:22 pm
by Vēritās
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:13 pm
Vēritās wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm
Oh you can bank on that. In fact last night out of curiosity I checked out the FOX News website just to see if they were even covering it, and way down at the bottom of the page they only mentioned that Hutchinson's testimony was negated by two secret servicemen.
But let's wait and see if this was a misstep. They may not be denying her account or maybe they'll deny only some aspects of it.
Trumpers gonna Trump, not matter what you do. If there are any criminal prosecutions, lots of folks are going to learn they don't understand what hearsay is or that the hearsay rule is riddled with exceptions.
Yeah, I mean it was obviously hearsay just the way she told it. Not sure why it was included other than maybe it was just an interesting sidebar that pertained to Trump's desire to get to the capitol for "his people." But there was already enough evidence to establish that that is what he wanted to do.
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:30 pm
by Res Ipsa
Vēritās wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:22 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:13 pm
Trumpers gonna Trump, not matter what you do. If there are any criminal prosecutions, lots of folks are going to learn they don't understand what hearsay is or that the hearsay rule is riddled with exceptions.
Yeah, I mean it was obviously hearsay just the way she told it. Not sure why it was included other than maybe it was just an interesting sidebar that pertained to Trump's desire to get to the capitol for "his people." But there was already enough evidence to establish that that is what he wanted to do.
I don't know why it was, either. Or what happened that caused the committee to schedule the hearing on short notice. It's hard to know when we're not privy to all the evidence.
Re: January 6th Committee alleges Trump 'criminal conspiracy'
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:32 pm
by Vēritās
Trump, Secret Service agent confirmed main elements of bombshell Jan. 6 fight over driving to Capitol
Washington Post reporter and Secret Service expert Carol Leonnig told MSNBC on Tuesday night that Trump physically could have reached for Engel and the steering wheel of the Secret Service SUV he was riding in on Jan. 6 — not the presidential limo, or Beast — and that Engel and especially Ornato "were very, very close to President Trump, and some people accused them of at times being enablers and yes men of the president."
Leonnig reported that her unidentified sources said the Secret Service agents "dispute that Donald Trump assaulted any agent or tried to grab the steering wheel on Jan. 6" but "agree Trump was furious about not being able to go to Capitol with his supporters."
Trump and Engel have also both corroborated the thrust of Hutchinson's testimony.
Trump told The Washington Post in April that he had wanted to accompany his supporters to the Capitol on Jan. 6, but the "Secret Service said I couldn't go. I would have gone there in a minute." Engel testified to the Jan. 6 committee that he and Trump had disagreed about going to the Capitol and he had steered them to the White House instead, Politico reported earlier this month.