Sex Offender thanks KBJ for 3 month sentence

[canpakes]

I don’t recall any government buildings in Portland burnt down in 2020, let alone by BLM Marxists. In this area, Burning stuff is usually done by mostly white anarchists.

Then there’s Oregon State Legislator Mike Nearman, who opened the side door for folks to enter during one protest. He appears to have pre-arranged this with protestors.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTLIKMMi0kM

Look at all of those BLM folks streaming into the building. ; )

More about this here -

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/06/04/ ... utType=amp

[honorentheos]

Honestly, what is it you think is going on that you imagine the attack on the People's House is being dealt with in a heavy handed way? It's the Capital building where one of the most important processes in our democracy was underway and the insurrection aimed to disrupt that process. You don't have America in any coherent sense without the peaceful transfer of power as the result of an election.

I'm saying that there is a double standard in how BLM protesters have been treated versus how the capital protesters were treated.

ajax, how is it even possible to have a double standard when the crimes being accused aren't overlapping? The accused from the insurrection stormed the US Capital and attempted to stop the certification of the general election, resorting to violence in an attempt to prevent the carrying out the highest law in the land? Attempting to interfere with the Constitution is not even an option in most instances and in most locations. One doesn't break a window on Main Street and prevent the peaceful transfer of power. I'd bet you would be challenged to even have the capacity to commit a crime of similar order in the next 20 minutes no matter how determined you were to do so.

The anti Covid lockdown protesters were treated in a much more heavy handed way than the BLM protesters as well.

What crime are we comparing here? Protesting isn't in and of itself a crime. Can you at least share example cases for the sake of clarifying what you mean?

How are the BLM riots so important that they're worth breaking quarantine but going to work isn't? Why is it a civil right to break COVID quarantine and social distancing guidelines to protest the death of George Floyd but not within our civil rights to go to work and make a living?

Stepping back from the politicizing of this, it's a genuinely good question. If someone is a business owner who struggled financially during the quarantines, experiences local government allowing certain businesses to reopen with restrictions but not ones in their industry, and they see it as arbitrary while they suffer the consequences of that seeming detachment from government, perhaps protesting and being willing to go to jail as a consequence is understandable. It could be your beautician in Texas and protestors concerned with biased policing have parallel concerns. In the case of the Texas beautician the result of her protest was elected officials making changes that attempted to rectify the injustice she felt was targeted at her. I can be sympathetic to that even if I think there is a huge difference between emergency orders attempting to manage a global pandemic and systemic, deeply rooted issues in policing that result in disproportionately high numbers of black men being imprisoned or killed when involved with law enforcement.

Something to think about, there. Of those protests, which resulted in government changing how it behaved when claims of injustice were made Prime Time news events? Why is that, do you think?

[ajax18]

I don’t recall any government buildings in Portland burnt down in 2020, let alone by BLM Marxists. In this area, Burning stuff is usually done by mostly white anarchists.

Maybe it was some other government building on the west coast in the summer of 2020. But there were government buildings vandalized and at least attempted arson. Wasn't that why they criticized Trump as being heavy handed sending in storm troopers when he tried to stop destruction of federal government property against the wishes of west coast Democrat state and local governments.

[K Graham]

I don’t recall any government buildings in Portland burnt down in 2020, let alone by BLM Marxists. In this area, Burning stuff is usually done by mostly white anarchists.

Maybe it was some other government building on the west coast in the summer of 2020. But there were government buildings vandalized and at least attempted arson. Wasn't that why they criticized Trump as being heavy handed sending in storm troopers when he tried to stop destruction of federal government property against the wishes of west coast Democrat state and local governments.

No. Your Putin loving tyrant pummeled innocent people with chemicals so he could do an ego stroking photo op with a Bible, which he held upside down.

If you'd watch CNN you'd actually know things.

[Snazzip]

Maybe it was some other government building on the west coast in the summer of 2020. But there were government buildings vandalized and at least attempted arson.

Holy crap, are you and Markk the same guy?

"I made stuff up, and was shown to be wrong, but that doesn't matter, because I'm right, because I say so."

[K Graham]

Maybe it was some other government building on the west coast in the summer of 2020. But there were government buildings vandalized and at least attempted arson.

Holy crap, are you and Markk the same guy?

"I made stuff up, and was shown to be wrong, but that doesn't matter, because I'm right, because I say so."

Hard to believe, but no. They're just members of the same political cult.

[Res Ipsa]

I don’t recall any government buildings in Portland burnt down in 2020, let alone by BLM Marxists. In this area, Burning stuff is usually done by mostly white anarchists.

Maybe it was some other government building on the west coast in the summer of 2020. But there were government buildings vandalized and at least attempted arson. Wasn't that why they criticized Trump as being heavy handed sending in storm troopers when he tried to stop destruction of federal government property against the wishes of west coast Democrat state and local governments.

In Seattle, an anarchistic (white) burned the police cars. She was arrested and prosecuted. Somebody burned a small construction shed. There were threats to burn down the East Precinct, but it never happened.

At one point, someone lit a few small fires inside a government building in Portland. But they didn’t burn the building down.

The objection to the federal intervention (besides it being unwanted) was that it involved unidentified law enforcement grabbing people and hauling them into vans, like what dictators in Central American countries do.

[Dr Exiled]

Here is a link to a report on child pornography sentencing from the United States Sentencing Commission: https://www.ussc.gov/research/research- ... n-offenses

68 months is the average sentence given as of the time of the report (2021) for similar cases as this Defendant had. I'm for allowing a little more discretion than the sentencing guidelines currently allow judges. However, 3 months is a really low sentence.



This is troubling as it means that this Defendant probably didn't learn the right lesson.

Do you think this was just a matter of learning the right lesson? How did his life go? Was he able to be employed? Find housing? Did he comply with the orders? Can he get treatment? Has he been getting it?

A big part of criminal punishment is to get the perpetrator to change his/her ways. It didn't work initially as he was caught again. I don't know what happened after and perhaps he changed his ways eventually. Recidivism is a problem with sex offenders and this is an unfortunate example of it.

[Res Ipsa]

Do you think this was just a matter of learning the right lesson? How did his life go? Was he able to be employed? Find housing? Did he comply with the orders? Can he get treatment? Has he been getting it?

A big part of criminal punishment is to get the perpetrator to change his/her ways. It didn't work initially as he was caught again. I don't know what happened after and perhaps he changed his ways eventually. Recidivism is a problem with sex offenders and this is an unfortunate example of it.

I don't think it's correct that he was "caught again." He was under supervision, including inspections of his computer. They found that he'd been viewing fully clothed, non obscene photos of teenagers. Out of concern that he might reoffend, the judge order him to move back into a half-way house for offenders to get him back on track. The recidivism rate of sexual offenses for those convicted of his type of offense is very low, per the report you linked to.

[Dr Exiled]

A big part of criminal punishment is to get the perpetrator to change his/her ways. It didn't work initially as he was caught again. I don't know what happened after and perhaps he changed his ways eventually. Recidivism is a problem with sex offenders and this is an unfortunate example of it.

I don't think it's correct that he was "caught again." He was under supervision, including inspections of his computer. They found that he'd been viewing fully clothed, non obscene [sexually arousing] photos of teenagers. Out of concern that he might reoffend [because he was looking for sexually arousing photos of teenage boys], the judge order him to move back into a half-way house for offenders to get him back on track. The recidivism rate of sexual offenses for those convicted of his type of offense is very low, per the report you linked to.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ldren.html

from the article:

In 2019, Jackson ordered Hawkins to serve the last six months of his six-year supervision period in a halfway house, after he was found to be seeking out 'sexually arousing, non-pornographic material.'

The sealed request demonstrated that Hawkins did not commit any sexual crime or violation of his conditions, but, 'despite being in treatment for more than five years,' Hawkins 'continues to seek out sexually arousing, non-pornographic material and images of males 13 to 16-years-old.'

I guess we can quibble over what "caught" means. He was seeking out sexually arousing pictures of underage boys and probably didn't look for pornography precisely because he was being monitored. Also, perhaps the low recidivism rate is because of the higher sentences? Perhaps Mr. Hawkins would have stopped looking for sexually arousing photos of teenagers if he had a harsher sentence?

Here is another report showing that sentences over 120 months had a deterring effect on recidivism rates and sentences of 60 to 120 reduced recidivism by 17%. https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/file ... Length.pdf