Paradise Split from Signs of Our Times

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"Office of the Surgeon General asked each of the 50 states to submit examples of Covid misinformation and the impact that such misinformation has had.
Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita acknowledged the harms done by misinformation, and then proceeded to list "the following examples of disinformation from the CDC and other health organisations that have shattered the public’s trust in science and public health and will take decades to repair."

The document then lays out the problems with lockdowns and masks, refutes the claim that the jabs could prevent transmission (the basis for the various vaccine passports and mandates), and criticizes the authorities for overcounting Covid deaths and denying natural immunity.

Then, too, it criticizes the practice of mass asymptomatic testing: "Mass testing of asymptomatic individuals with contact tracing and quarantining of people who test positive has failed to substantively slow the progress of the epidemic and has imposed great costs on people who were quarantined even though they posed no risk of infecting others."

"Three facts are crucial to understanding why this policy has failed," it continues. "First, even close contacts of someone who tests positive for the SARS-Cov-2 virus are unlikely to pass the disease on. In a large meta-analysis of household contacts of asymptomatic positive cases, only 3% of people living in the same home got sick.

"Second, the PCR test that has been used to identify asymptomatic infections often returns a positive result for people who have dead viral fragments, are not infectious, and pose no risk of infecting others.

"And third, the contact tracing system becomes overwhelmed whenever cases start to rise, leading to long delays in contacting new cases. At precisely the moment when contact tracing might be needed, it cannot do its job.

"At the same time, quarantining people is costly – for workers without adequate sick leave, absenteeism due to contact tracing means pay cuts, lost opportunities, and perhaps even an inability to feed families. For children, it means more skipped lessons and missed opportunities for academic and social growth at school, with long-run negative consequences for their future prospects. In the UK, an official government review determined that its 37 billion pound investment in contact tracing was a waste of resources. The same is undoubtedly true in the United States."

Then it takes on the implicit and sometimes explicit claim and goal of total eradication of Covid, even though it bore none of the characteristics of a disease that could be eradicated. The process of trying to do so, meanwhile, would cause incalculable damage:

"First, we have no technology to reduce the spread of the disease or meaningfully alter disease dynamics. Lockdowns and social restrictions fail because only people who can afford to work from home without losing their job can comply over long periods....

"Second, there are many animal hosts for SARS-CoV-2 and evidence of transmission between mammals and humans. One USDA study in late 2021 found that nearly 80% of white-tailed deer in the U.S. had evidence of COVID-19 antibodies. Dogs, cats, bats, mink, and many other mammals can get COVID-19. So even if the disease were eradicated among humans, zoonotic transmission would guarantee that it would come back.

"Finally, eradication takes a global commitment from every country – an impossible goal since COVID-19 eradication is far from the most pressing public health problem for many developing countries."

So as usual, the real misinformation comes from the official sources, and the statement by the Indiana Attorney General is a rare case in which this problem is publicly acknowledged and countered."

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“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.” Winston Churchill.
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Elizabeth wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 2:28 am
“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.” Winston Churchill.
Yup, he said that in May 1948, after decisively losing the 1945 election to Labour, during which he had failed to persuade the British people that after the huge efforts and suffering of WWII they did not deserve, amongst other things, universal health care free at the point of use. As a result of the Labour victory they got that. Despite the resentment of Conservative politicians since then, they show no signs of wanting to lose it.

Odd, isn't it? I mean the US system delivers far better overall health outcomes for its population at much less cost, so why wouldn't the British (and, amongst others the Canadians) want to drop their nasty socialist health system and follow the US lead .... oh, wait ...
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A country does not have to be Socialist / Communist in order to provide health care.

The best system of all is one based on Christian Conservative ideals, where those who are able to do so WORK for their benefits.
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Elizabeth wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 2:56 am
A country does not have to be Socialist / Communist in order to provide health care.

The best system of all is one based on Christian Conservative ideals, where those who are able to do so WORK for their benefits.

That one’s tough on babies and children, though.
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The COVID 19 original strain probably became disconcerted upon witnessing the citizens of Manti, Utah burning a huge replica syringe. Who says Deseret patriots cannot do science?!!!
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I have fond memories of my time in Manti :)
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Elizabeth wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 2:56 am
A country does not have to be Socialist / Communist in order to provide health care.

The best system of all is one based on Christian Conservative ideals, where those who are able to do so WORK for their benefits.
I could not agree more about your statement that under any sensible system of health care "those who are able to do so [should] WORK for their benefits'. (No need for shouting in upper case, by the way).

I have lived all my life under a system of universal health care free at the point of use. For all my working life I have, as part of my taxes, paid (amongst my other taxes, direct and indirect) a kind of extra income tax called 'National Insurance', which was created in order to fund national health care and other social benefits. Everybody who earns money has to pay that until they pass retirement age.

It works OK, in the sense that it appears to be a lot less than US citizens have to pay for their health insurance - and one reason for that may be that the health insurance system to which I have contributed is not run by commercial companies whose main reason for existence is to make money for their shareholders. And (which I believe is not the case in the US), however complicated my illness/accident may be, no-one is going to ask me to pay for some part of the treatment I need.

I don't see that Christian Conservative ideals, or Atheist Communist ideals (to neither of which I subscribe) have to do with the question. People just want a safe way of ensuring that they get the care they need when they are ill, and the system I describe above (like several other systems in Europe) seems to do the job pretty reliably and cheaply. What's not to like? It's just practical common sense, and you don't need to bring religion or politics into the discussion.

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:) Myself and family have total health care coverage.
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Chap wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 12:35 pm
Elizabeth wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 2:56 am
A country does not have to be Socialist / Communist in order to provide health care.

The best system of all is one based on Christian Conservative ideals, where those who are able to do so WORK for their benefits.
I could not agree more about your statement that under any sensible system of health care "those who are able to do so [should] WORK for their benefits'. (No need for shouting in upper case, by the way).

I have lived all my life under a system of universal health care free at the point of use. For all my working life I have, as part of my taxes, paid (amongst my other taxes, direct and indirect) a kind of extra income tax called 'National Insurance', which was created in order to fund national health care and other social benefits. Everybody who earns money has to pay that until they pass retirement age.

It works OK, in the sense that it appears to be a lot less than US citizens have to pay for their health insurance - and one reason for that may be that the health insurance system to which I have contributed is not run by commercial companies whose main reason for existence is to make money for their shareholders. And (which I believe is not the case in the US), however complicated my illness/accident may be, no-one is going to ask me to pay for some part of the treatment I need.

I don't see that Christian Conservative ideals, or Atheist Communist ideals (to neither of which I subscribe) have to do with the question. People just want a safe way of ensuring that they get the care they need when they are ill, and the system I describe above (like several other systems in Europe) seems to do the job pretty reliably and cheaply. What's not to like? It's just practical common sense, and you don't need to bring religion or politics into the discussion.

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Elizabeth wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 2:35 pm
:) Myself and family have total health care coverage.
And?
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