doubtingthomas wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:23 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 5:15 am
So, does person grow up sooner if the end result isn’t adult adult decision making?
I think I get it now, but I am still a bit confused.
As I said before, ""On average. For many it is around 30. It is around 19 for people in low-income households. We are all different. "
Would that mean an average 19 year old in low-income neighborhoods doesn't have an adults adult decision making?
What is an adults adult decision making? Do you mean the average 18 or 19 year old in low-income neighborhoods doesn't have the same adults adult decision making of an average 25 year old?
And would the average 25 year old decision making be the same as a 45 year old? or a 65 year old? It is getting very complicated.
Request
Please ask Shades to carefully read everything before he starts making serious accusations. Defamation is illegal or morally wrong.
The subject matter isn't getting very complicated -- it IS complicated. That's why you can't draw the simplistic cause and effect conclusions you keep trying to draw.
No, I don't mean any of the things you say. I'm not making any claim about the average anything of anything. I haven't seen a study that compares the process of brain development of children who grow up in low income households to that of children who grow up in average income households. That would require MRI's taken at frequent intervals starting at the youngest extreme and continuing on until all subjects reach completion. Without that data, there is no way to tell when the brain has physically arrived at its "mature" state.
As to your request, in my opinion your post upthread was poorly worded. It led me to think, at first, that you meant you'd dated someone younger than 16. That didn't make sense, given our earlier conversation, so I ignored it.
But that's if we are interested in when the "brain" finishes its development, i.e., "maturity." But maturity of the brain is not the same thing as maturity of the person. Maturity of the person can't be directly measured, like we can measure the changing volume of brain tissue. People don't come with a "maturity gauge" that displays a number from 1-100 indicating how mature the person is. Maturity is a really a cluster of behaviors, including decision making, emotional regulation, etc. that isn't easy to measure. It means the extent to which the individual has developed traits we expect in an adult as opposed to those of a child or adolescent. It's a concept much more nebulous than measuring the volume of different parts of the brain over time.
What the literature we've both looked at seems to say is that human brains develop at the general pace that they do because the length of the period of plasticity is critical to the person's "maturity" at the end of the process. Speeding up the process doesn't necessarily result in a fully mature adult at a younger age. And slowing down the process doesn't necessarily produce a more mature adult at the end of the process. There is a typical range of time for this development to occur, and going too fast and going too slow appear to have detrimental effect on the maturation of the person.
Maturity of the brain is not the same as maturity of the person, and they are measured in very different ways. Your earlier statements about the young person you dated were describing her maturity, in terms of behavior. Unless you were carrying around a portable MRI and periodically scanning her brain. You literally have no idea where her brain was in terms of development while you were dating her. And you have no idea what her level of "maturity" as a person will be at the end of her brain development.
If you want to learn about any causal connection between growing up poor and brain development, then you need to find a study that investigates that. If you want to learn about the hypothesized effects of growing up poor and later behavior, you need a study that looks at that. What you haven't done is produced any study that says that growing up poor results in the entire brain development process finishing sooner or what the consequences to the person's maturity are.
My only claim is that you've provided no evidence to that supports your claims. I'm not going to make any claim about averages of anything unless I have a source that provides sufficient data to validly reach that kind of conclusion.
As to your other request, as long as a post stays within the rules, it is not my job to police tone or content. I first read your post as saying you dated someone younger than 16, too. But I didn't think that made sense, so I just ignored it. People misunderstand each other's posts here all the time. That's not defamation -- that's a mistake that is easily cleared up by explanation.