Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 3:44 pm
In the case of intersex in most cases doctors make or have made the choice with I assume parental input…I did not just makes this up, google it and do some reading I read the same thing form several sites.Themis wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:37 pmYou mean medical reasons like having the Y gene or other genetic and developmental conditions that did not have all the parts necessary to conceive? Why should that disqualify them the term woman or female? The ancients who you have referenced in this discussion never would have. Most of what they looked for in a newborn was if they had a penis or vagina.
The genetic condition has been brought up a lot where someone with the XY may for various reasons not develop male body parts, but female body parts. Now these body parts are just as female as any other female, but they tend to lack all the parts to conceive. If it's parts like a vagina they are almost always classified as female by the ancients and even today. Why should they with female body parts be denied being defined as woman when they grow up and have lived as females their whole life?
In the case of CAIS, or PAIS they are biological male…so the person has to choose what they will identify a as…it is a choice…theirs. But the science is they are biologically male.
Well Themis Ancients did not have the resources we have today, not even close. I just googled this and read a bit on this…even about ancient corrective surgeries . I think you are taking what i wrote a bit out of context, but I get your point and agree, many must have identified as females their whole life, yet in many cases they were biologically male, and in others female. I bet many lived a very hard life because of this.
I read the summary and conclusion, I will read the whole thing when i get time ... here is the Conclusion…
Although the ancient medical writers and physicians had varying ways of explaining the human body in terms of its sex, they were still able to conceive the possibility of a dual-sex or a hermaphrodite condition. Although sex differentiation and sex determination was more complicated than it appeared in the works of Aristotle, the Hippocratics and Galen, these medical writers and physicians provided explanations of sex as they understood it using the methods they had available to them during those times. Given the limited number of hermaphrodite individuals that would have existed in antiquity, it is unlikely that any of the physicians discussed here had ever encountered such an individual. Nevertheless, these physicians were aware of the possibility of such a condition and made note of this in their medical treatises. Aristotle’s view of the body was that the female form is merely a deformity of the male form. The Hippocratics viewed the male and female bodies as being completely different from one another. Galen, taking from both Aristotle and the Hippocratic Corpus, considered the male and female genitalia to be inversions of the same parts. Despite these differing views, the condition of hermaphroditism was present in at least one of all their treatises. This evidence provides a basis from which an understanding of the medical condition of hermaphroditism can be perceived from an ancient physician’s perspective.
https://prism.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/han ... sAllowed=y