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Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:17 am
by ajax18
Gunnar wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:35 pm
Binger wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:31 pm
You think Biden is too centrist. You would vote for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because of her intelligence and honesty.

Do you think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should be chosen to lead the house democrats? If they is qualified to lead the country, is they qualified to lead the caucus?
I think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would be a great choice to lead the house democratic caucus. Furthermore, I think Sheldon Whitehouse would be a great majority leader in the senate or minority leader should (heaven forbid!) the democrats lose their majority in the coming mid-term election. I know of no one better informed about current issues confronting us than he.

Sheldon Outhouse as Michael savage calls him.

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:34 am
by Philo Sofee
MeDotOrg wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:18 pm
Why DeSantis instead of Trump?
Jeezus shouldn't that be obvious by now, even to the most diehard Trumpsters?!

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:36 am
by Philo Sofee
ajax18 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:05 am
Trump has sacrificed enough for this country. It's time for younger conservatives to step up. Trump wants what's best for his supporters.
Yes, now its time for his country which he betrayed to sacrifice him, and move onto better lives for all Americans.

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:30 am
by Gunnar
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:17 am
Sheldon Outhouse as Michael savage calls him.
It's always much easier to make up some derisive nickname for someone with whom you disagree than to refute their arguments, isn't it? Don't you realize how utterly childish and mentally vacuous it is to do so? That damages the name-caller much more than it does the object of the derision! The fact is that Whitehouse's public presentations about climate change and environmental degradation, as are his exposés about how dark money has corrupted our politics (in particular judicial nominations), are backed up by irrefutable evidence and impeccable reasoning. You should try watching them sometimes!

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:37 am
by Binger
Gunnar wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:30 am
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:17 am
Sheldon Outhouse as Michael savage calls him.
It's always much easier to make up some derisive nickname for someone with whom you disagree than to refute their arguments, isn't it? Don't you realize how utterly childish and mentally vacuous it is to do so? That damages the name-caller much more than it does the object of the derision! The fact is that Whitehouse's public presentations about climate change and environmental degradation, as are his exposés about how dark money has corrupted our politics (in particular judicial nominations), are backed up by irrefutable evidence and impeccable reasoning. You should try watching them sometime!
Did you intend this for Xanax? If so, I can say with near perfect certainty that he has not referred to the current or past president as Orange Man.

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:17 pm
by ajax18
That damages the name-caller much more than it does the object of the derision!
Only when you're talking with people on the other side of the aisle. You don't think anything less of Schmo for referring to the 45th president as Donald Drumpf, Orange man bad, etc.

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:08 pm
by Chap
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:17 pm
That damages the name-caller much more than it does the object of the derision!
Only when you're talking with people on the other side of the aisle. You don't think anything less of Schmo for referring to the 45th president as Donald Drumpf, Orange man bad, etc.
How do you know that? You responded to a post about someone with seriously presented and well evidenced positions about "climate change and environmental degradation, [and] exposés about how dark money has corrupted our politics (in particular judicial nominations)".

Yet your sole response is to call the person in question a silly name. Meanwhile another summer of killing heat, drought and wildfires is just getting under way ... and as the years pass, it is getting worse, and will continue to get worse. Have a good laugh while you can!

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:39 pm
by Moksha
ajax18 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:05 am
Trump has sacrificed enough for this country. It's time for younger conservatives to step up. Trump wants what's best for his supporters.
Trump tried to stab America in the back and become an unelected dictator. Conservatives lapped it up.

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:24 pm
by Hawkeye

DeSantis is a 'very dangerous individual' because he has 'already absorbed all the lessons of Trump' but doesn't have any of the baggage, an expert on
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is best placed to take Trump's place as a 2024 GOP presidential nominee.


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An expert on authoritarianism told Insider that's because he's learned all of Trump's lessons.

The expert added that DeSantis 'doesn't have the baggage of Trump,' and could rally voters.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis could be the GOP's natural successor to former President Donald Trump as a 2024 presidential candidate, and he doesn't come with Trump's drama, an expert on authoritarianism told Insider.

Ruth Ben-Ghiat is a historian at New York University, and the author of the book, "Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present." She has studied the backsliding of democracy, from the US to Russia, and elsewhere.

In a wide-ranging interview, she told Insider that in light of the January 6 hearings, Trump might have to be prosecuted in order to save American democracy ahead of the 2024 election. In that context, she said that DeSantis could take his place as a populist nominee.

"What we do find in history is prosecution, in the longer term, is one of the only things that deflates these guys' personality cults, because those cults are founded on the idea that they are invincible, they are infallible," Ben-Ghiat said. "Now, if that does happen to Trump — DeSantis has already absorbed all the lessons of Trump."

Ben-Ghiat has written several essays making her argument.




"He's clearly readying himself for a national run, whether it's in 2024 or later. And he's a very dangerous individual," Ben Ghiat said. "He's dangerous because he is equally repressive, but doesn't have the baggage of Trump. It's hard to have the baggage of Trump."

DeSantis has recently signed controversial bills like Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill — which limits teachers' curriculum around sexual orientation and gender identity in grades Kindergarten through third — and the
Stop WOKE Act, which restricts how race is discussed in workplaces, schools, and colleges. He also implemented an Office of Election Crimes and Security, rankling voting rights advocates.

DeSantis, who has raised $124 million, has recently denied that he'll run in 2024, insisting that he's focused on his own race in 2022.

DeSantis, who has raised $124 million, has recently denied that he'll run in 2024, insisting that he's focused on his own race in 2022.
https://www.businessinsider.com/desanti ... ert-2022-6

The left will call anyone immoral and authoritarian if they don't like their policies. That's why I've never paid much attention to the dirt they've dug up on Trump. DeSantis is as clean as they come and the Chicago political machine will surely come up with all kinds of dirt not because it matters but because they don't like his policies. DeSantis puts even more fear into left wing SJWs and activists than Donald Trump.

Re: 47th President of the USA Ron DeSantis

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:29 pm
by honorentheos
How do you think he will manage government spending? Please try and be specific. Which programs would he put more money into? Which would he divert funds away? Do you see the national debt declining under a DeSantis administration? How?