Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:08 am
Surprise! That’s exactly the point. You were just crowing about the nation becoming more racially diverse. Guess what — there is no necessary connection between brown skin and political views. Just like in Brazil.
Can't you understand that the South of Texas and the South Florida are anomalies? You're trying to use them to discount the fact that
immigrants typically vote Democrat.
You don’t know how people who aren’t voters yet are going to vote. And people can and do change political ideologies and parties.
Sure, but how does that negate my point about diversification benefitting the Left? I'm not "taking it for granted," I'm not saying whether or not it is right or wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is. Hell, even Right Wing studies have demonstrated this to be a fact which is part of the reason why they hate increased immigration. Living in the South I can see that so much of the reason conservatives vote conservative has to do with the cultural bubble they've been living in all their lives where they've been told they have to vote Republican because it secures their guns, their religion and makes them more Christian and more patriotic, and that the democrats represent a threat to society. That kind of BS doesn't typically resonate with people coming in from other countries. You don't have to agree with it for it to be true.
Writing off the Hispanic votes that voted for Trump as “conservatives” is a losing strategy for the Dems
I'm not "writing them off," I'm merely acknowledging the facts according to the link you provided. More of them voted Republican in 2020 than they did in 2016 because they were already conservative on some of the main issues like guns and abortion. That simply isn't typical for most people coming into this country and it sure as hell isn't anything the Democrats can do about it. Not if guns and abortion are their two main priorities. You need to know where to pick your battles and understand when to cut your losses. I believe the article also said that particular section of Texas tend to have more US Born citizens who happened to be Hispanic which probably plays a part in their identity as "True American" or whatever.
You can dismiss the arrogance within the left as a meme and keep dehumanizing conservatives
I dismiss it because at this point is is obviously just something you say to make yourself feel superior. You already lied about the "human garbage" remark, and now you're bringing up "dehumanization"? WTF is wrong with you? I see you doing nothing more than taking full advantage of your authority as Mod to be every bit the hypocrite you can be. "Play the ball not the man" you recently preached to me, only to throw the ball out the damned window while misrepresenting what I've said over something I never would have guessed would cause to you freak out the way you have. And after months of complaining about how I've been too hard on poor ole ajax, and how I shouldn't remind anyone about anything he's done or said in the past otherwise it is just a "personal attack," here you are bringing up my past, and trying to piss me off by illicitly calling me a Leftist Nazi.
Now, we obviously have different perspectives here. I'm sorry if it isn't something you cannot discuss without personal attacks. But your preferred "strategy" hasn't been working for the Left, and it
obviously hasn't. I've suggested it is time to take the gloves off and fight fire with fire and your rebuttal is to condescendingly call me a Leftist Nazi fulfilling Limbaugh prophecies, along with the, "Oh we cannot do that because they'll do the same thing when they're in power." Well guess what Sherlock? THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS ALREADY. They stole Obama's the Supreme Court nominee by playing dirty politics, they elected an autocrat who tried the overthrow our democracy while they all turned a blind eye and made excuses for him, they confirmed a few unqualified idiot judges because the Federalist Society told them their religious views passed the smell test, they said they'd never confirm a judge in an election year and lied about that, they bitch about baby formula but refuse to sign legislation to help with that because rather than helping Americans they'd prefer there be something to blame on the Democrats, they effectively made women property of the state, they're about to go after marriage equality and gay rights because the 1950's were their glory days, and now Biden is making a deal with McConnell by confirming an anti-Abortion buddy of his from Kentucky and in return Mitch promises not to block any more of his appointees. Now do you think for a damned second Mitch is going to do that? No. But Democrats like you keep thinking defensively which is why the party is where its at right now. Do you think for a damned second Republicans would hesitate to block the filibuster to get what they wanted done? Hell no. They'd do it in a heartbeat without wondering, "Oh no, if we do this then the Dems will do the same when they're in power." The GOP is a cesspool as all get out right now. They don't care about playing by the rules or maintaining institutional norms, all they care about is getting whatever the can using whatever means necessary, and that is why this country is in serious decline as a democracy. Women will soon be dead in transit because they couldn't make it to an out of state abortion clinic in time. But hey, at least we played fairly and didn't break any rules, right?
With all your pretense about having a morally superior strategy, the fact is your strategy is effectively killing the Democrat party, and it wouldn't surprise me if they lose every upcoming election there is over the next two years because why would the people put their faith in them ever again after this catastrophic collapse of our Democratic walls? We thought we had control a year ago but what's been done? We let Roe get overturned under our watch! We don't even have the damned balls to indict the former President because Garland is too worried about appearing political. So in 2024 he'll just do it all over again because the Republicans have put in place puppets in various state legislators who ARE willing to overthrow elections. Biden won't support increasing the number of justices because, well, saving the lives of women isn't as important as "appearing centrist."
Yeah, the Democrats are up crap creek, but it isn't because of people like me, it is because of people like you who think you can reason your way through the opposition. I talk to Conservatives quite literally on a daily basis. Every time I go to one of the local bars or restaurants it is already taken for granted everyone is on the Right. Never once has any of them told me anything remotely resembling what you said. That the reason they don't vote Left is because the Left just calls them stupid.
but all you’re doing is reinforcing what Rush and his successors have been telling folks like Ajax for decades that the left is like.
There you go again, naïve enough to believe that anyone listening to Rush would ever change their mind anyway. I grew up listening to Rush in the 90's. I changed on my own, after moving to Brazil in 2004, but some of my conversion also had to do with having my stupidity thrown back in my face long enough to cause self reflection. Some here probably remember me posting as Aselahx on the ZLMB board where I was a fervent defender of the Bush administration. As someone with personal experience "changing his worldview" I think I have more insight into what that takes. The same is true with leaving Mormonism. It required a tone of hard hitting jackasses to throw my stupidity back in my face. Your theory that people only become dissuaded by overwhelming them with sympathy and kindness doesn't hold water in the real world.
Dismissing conservatives as being incapable of changing their minds is a self fulfilling prophecy. People can’t change if we don’t give them the space to change.
I'm hardly the only one acknowledging the basic fact that the base of the Republican party is not going to be changed. I see political scientists, pundits, Democrat and Republican strategists reiterate this fact over and over every day.
But hey, you keep doing you. I'm sure you're bound to convert your share of Ajaxs', subgenius's, Mikes and Bingers through the sheer power of your compassion.