The fruits of nonglobal environmental regulations

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Hawkeye, or ajax wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 pm
Let's get those prices jacked up where they need to be.

Where was that part in your article?
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Hawkeye wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:40 am
You know that what you are saying here is ridiculous don't you? Europe's environmental regulations, if carried through as they should be, cannot possibly "save the planet" on their own,
That's kind of the point of the thread. Nonglobal environmental regulations and economic sacrifices don't save the planet. They just make the people who are subject to these regulations poorer and in the case of France, hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
You should read up on the prisoner’s dilemma. Your approach leads to the worst possible outcome for everyone.
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canpakes wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:12 am
Hawkeye, or ajax wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:13 pm
Let's get those prices jacked up where they need to be.

Where was that part in your article?
Ajax stubbornly refuses to think about the demand side of the equation. For example, if we subsidize non-fossil fuel sources of electricity generation, the price of fossil fuels will ______.

But that doesn’t matter, because Ajax shows no interest in solving problems — just complaining about them.
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Supreme Court rules for coal-producing states, limits EPA's power to fight climate change
Justice Elena Kagan wrote a scathing dissent, joined by the court's two liberals, Justices Stephen G. Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.

"Today, the court strips the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) of the power Congress gave it to respond to the most pressing environmental challenge of our time," Kagan wrote.

"Courts should be modest. Today, the court is not," she said. "The court will not allow the Clean Air Act to work as Congress instructed. The court, rather than Congress, will decide how much regulation is too much. Whatever else this court may know about, it does not have a clue about how to address climate change. The court appoints itself — instead of Congress or the expert agency — the decisionmaker on climate policy. I cannot think of many things more frightening."
That decision by the Supreme Court is every bit as irrational as declaring that the world is flat or trying to repeal the law of gravity and Einstein's theory of relativity. For this idiotic decision alone the 6 conservatives on the court deserve to be both mercilessly ridiculed and impeached!
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Gunnar wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:48 am
Supreme Court rules for coal-producing states, limits EPA's power to fight climate change
Justice Elena Kagan wrote a scathing dissent, joined by the court's two liberals, Justices Stephen G. Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.

"Today, the court strips the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) of the power Congress gave it to respond to the most pressing environmental challenge of our time," Kagan wrote.

"Courts should be modest. Today, the court is not," she said. "The court will not allow the Clean Air Act to work as Congress instructed. The court, rather than Congress, will decide how much regulation is too much. Whatever else this court may know about, it does not have a clue about how to address climate change. The court appoints itself — instead of Congress or the expert agency — the decisionmaker on climate policy. I cannot think of many things more frightening."
That decision by the Supreme Court is every bit as irrational as declaring that the world is flat or trying to repeal the law of gravity and Einstein's theory of relativity. For this idiotic decision alone the 6 conservatives on the court deserve to be both mercilessly ridiculed and impeached!
Kagan’s dissent is well written and powerful, but she engaged in a bit of hyperbole here. There is lots to criticize here. This was an extremely activist decision by Conservatives who decry such activism when they don’t like the result. The majority ignored the long established rules of statutory construction, including the statutory history, the history of changes to the act, and other parts of the relevant statute. It failed to even mention the leading case on the topic, substituting a new rule. Not only that, the EPA had asked for and has been granted a stay because the regulation at issue was obsolete and needed to be rewritten. So, the Court basically did what it isn’t supposed to do: issue an advisory opinion.

But the Court did not hold that the EPA can’t issue regulations on greenhouse gas emissions. Ironically, it holds that the EPA can’t use what was the undisputedly the method most beneficial to the power generating utilities, which is why they supported the EPA. The method was cap and trade, which would allow utilities that could restore older, “dirtier” plants more quickly to sell their credits to utilities that still had useful life in dirtier plants. Being a market based system, it would result in meeting the goals in the most efficient manner — good all the way around.

The EPA can still require power plants to meet emissions goals — it just must do so using technological mandates rather than an economics based system. It’s dumb. It’s poorly reasoned, and it means higher power bills for all. Yay team.

But it’s not grounds for impeachment by any stretch of the imagination.
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It looks like Germany is going back to the old wood burning furnace.

Imported Energy Crisis Sees Wood Burning Stoves, Dry Firewood Sell Out in Germany

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While the German government prevaricates around its self-imposed energy crisis, citizens are taking matters into their own hands to keep themselves warm this coming winter with sales of cheap, reliable wood burners soaring in Europe.

After years of being warned from abroad — not least by U.S. President Donald Trump — against relying on a belligerent Russia for a great proportion of their domestic energy, the hammer has dropped for Germany with Russia turning off the taps of natural gas supply.

Seeing their Red-led ‘traffic light’ coalition government paralysed by divisions in the environmentalist Greens and the pro-business Yellows, many Germans are taking matters into their own hands by falling back on traditional, decentralised heat sources.

But, reduced to the status of a niche source of energy for predominantly rural communities, supplies of new furnaces and wood to power them has failed to keep up with demand.

Indeed, demand for wood-burning stoves “exploded” in Germany after Russia invaded Ukraine, a spokesman for a German association of heating installers said. In further comments reported by the Frankfurter Allgemeine, there has been a comparable surge in purchases of firewood in the same period, so says the head of the Federal Firewood Association.

The rush on wood-burning appliances is so pronounced the waiting time for some is a year, with no hope of delivery for this winter. While wood burners are made in Germany, there are shortages of individual components and materials, including parts that come from Communist China.

This shortage of stoves is extending across the whole of Europe, the spokesman said.

There has been so much demand for firewood in the past months that it is effectively sold out in Germany. As the FA article notes, there is no shortage of actual trees in Germany but air-drying cut wood so it is suitable for home burning takes two years naturally. The process can be sped up with forced air, but this uses increasingly expensive electricity to power fans, pushing up the price — and there aren’t enough businesses doing this to keep up with demand anyway.

Firewood Association spokesman Gerd Müller said of the shortage: “It’s almost impossible to get dry firewood this year”. Bulk pelletised burning wood used in automated burners has doubled in price in a year, the report states. Nevertheless, it is still cheaper than burning natural gas, which has soared in price to a-historical levels due to Russia’s war in Ukraine and been exacerbated by a lack of forethought and contingency planning by governments depending on such resources.

The news that wood burner and dried timber sales are soaring to the point of the market being exhausted by demand is likely to set alarm bells ringing among the environmentalist establishment that rules Germany and the rest of the European Union, however.

Simple home stoves have been in the sights of green activists for years, and some governments are even moving to ban or heavily restrict them, forcing citizens to stick with energy prices that government incompetence and global events have seen soar.
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In the United Kingdom, the nominally Conservative government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, which is actually pursuing an aggressively statist green political programme while sailing under right-wing colours, is trying to ban much home burning altogether.

As reported, homeowners would no longer be able to buy basics like coal or wet wood, which the government asserts is bad for the environment.

While burning wet wood is certainly not as good as dry, as Germany’s experience in the midst of an energy shock where the prospect of rationed gas and electricity looms for the coming winter, it may transpire it is all that is available. The United Kingdom has also banned stoves from being sold that don’t comply with strict regulations on emissions, although as the Daily Telegraph reported earlier this year the figures the government used to justify its bans may not have been accurate, so stoves may be considerably less polluting than claimed.

Similar moves are afoot in the Republic of Ireland, where the government is trying to ban the burning of peat, a region-specific traditional fossil fuel that has kept rural Irish homes warm for centuries. The timing — coming in the middle of a Europe-wide fuel shortage — is remarkable, but perhaps no less remarkable than Germany deciding to press on with shutting down the enormous energy-producing potential of its remaining nuclear power plants just as Russia cuts off its supply of natural gas.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/0 ... n-germany/
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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