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Yet, that’s their choice. You may not agree with it, but their mask isn’t doing any harm to you.
It's their eyes. If they are misinformed enough to think benefits of a cloth mask are worth a foggy refraction, then that's fine with me. I won't be rechecking it for free. They can go somewhere else for that. I'm sure the liberal ODs will be happy to pay $850 to clean their phoropter each week and be flooded with rechecks due to fog. Or perhaps they'll just do the whole thing for free on their days off since I'm sure liberal ODs believe they're overpaid.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Binger wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:15 pm
canpakes wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:28 pm
Wasn’t the issue with Trump more about the fact that he and staff knew that he had tested positive days before the debate between himself and Biden, at a time when no vaccines had been available, and yet neither he nor his staff told anyone, instead choosing to mix freely with the public?
Was that the first time or the last time a president mixed freely with the public?

Was that the first time or the last time that a president tested positive for the coronavirus, and hid that knowledge for days from folks that he freely mixed with?
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canpakes wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Binger wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:15 pm


Was that the first time or the last time a president mixed freely with the public?

Was that the first time or the last time that a president tested positive for the coronavirus, and hid that knowledge for days from folks that he freely mixed with?
Tell us, panny.
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Binger wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:37 pm
canpakes wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Was that the first time or the last time that a president tested positive for the coronavirus, and hid that knowledge for days from folks that he freely mixed with?
Tell us, panny.
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Hawkeye wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:24 am
When President Trump issued his directive suggesting that over 40% of the US Population shelter-in-place for at the very least, a month, the survival rate was much (much) lower.
What was the survival rate then?
The survival rate, when President Trump suggested a plan that made what California implemented look like libertarianism, was about 98%. A month later, it was about 94.4%.
Are you still double masking Doctor Steuss?
Never have. I have always tried to use multi-layered cloth masks though. I keep a box of N95 around that I will wear if I'm going to be visiting someone doing at home hospice (right now, there are two people). ***

One of them is pretty funny about it, and crack jokes about cancer killing them, so what are the sniffles going to do. There's certainly a layer of selfishness when it comes to them as to why I wear it. I think I'm probably too fragile psychologically to deal with possible guilt if it was COVID that hastened their passing.
I still have perfectly young and healthy people coming in and refusing to take off their cloth mask behind the phoropter out of fear of Covid infection. Do Democrats still preach that cloth masks stop Covid infection or have they decided that everyone should have to wear a mask now lest someone catch a cold?
Anyone who preached that cloth masks stop COVID infection was exceptionally mistaken. It can help mitigate transmission by stopping the droplets with the highest virion load potential, but as far as infection goes... meh. While they don't realize it, them wearing a mask is an act of sacrifice for you much more-so than them.

That being said, I don't think there's data suggesting that rhinoviruses have ever been the third leading cause of death in the US. Probably good with continued preaching of washing hands.



***ETA: Just to make sure no one gets the wrong impression. I am not a medical professional. This is volunteer work of a sort (family members of friends).
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Thank you Doctor Steuss.

There is a difference between you masking in a nursing or hospice situation and Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr. masking at Carl’s Jr.

In most ICU’s and nursing situations I have worked in, patients are unmasked and care providers have N95s. Obviously, this is primarily a droplet precaution with some minimal protection to the staff.

Depending on the known pathogen, all rooms will have specific instructions for the isolation. The process varies for contact precautions and airborne precautions.

Good on ya, D Steuss. Be well and be safe.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:45 pm
Hawkeye wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:24 am


What was the survival rate then?
The survival rate, when President Trump suggested a plan that made what California implemented look like libertarianism, was about 98%. A month later, it was about 94.4%.
Are you still double masking Doctor Steuss?
Never have. I have always tried to use multi-layered cloth masks though. I keep a box of N95 around that I will wear if I'm going to be visiting someone doing at home hospice (right now, there are two people). ***

One of them is pretty funny about it, and crack jokes about cancer killing them, so what are the sniffles going to do. There's certainly a layer of selfishness when it comes to them as to why I wear it. I think I'm probably too fragile psychologically to deal with possible guilt if it was COVID that hastened their passing.
I still have perfectly young and healthy people coming in and refusing to take off their cloth mask behind the phoropter out of fear of Covid infection. Do Democrats still preach that cloth masks stop Covid infection or have they decided that everyone should have to wear a mask now lest someone catch a cold?
Anyone who preached that cloth masks stop COVID infection was exceptionally mistaken. It can help mitigate transmission by stopping the droplets with the highest virion load potential, but as far as infection goes... meh. While they don't realize it, them wearing a mask is an act of sacrifice for you much more-so than them.

That being said, I don't think there's data suggesting that rhinoviruses have ever been the third leading cause of death in the US. Probably good with continued preaching of washing hands.



***ETA: Just to make sure no one gets the wrong impression. I am not a medical professional. This is volunteer work of a sort (family members of friends).
I've done lots of reading about masks, from studies to recommendations of public health authorities. I have never seen an epidemiologist, virologist, infectious disease specialist, or public health authority claim that cloth masks (or any masks) STOP Covid infection. The initial push for cloth masks was a bottoms-up, public effort that occurred after the CDC recommended cloth barriers as a last ditch measure for hospitals that had run out of PPE.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:25 pm
I've done lots of reading about masks, from studies to recommendations of public health authorities. I have never seen an epidemiologist, virologist, infectious disease specialist, or public health authority claim that cloth masks (or any masks) STOP Covid infection. The initial push for cloth masks was a bottoms-up, public effort that occurred after the CDC recommended cloth barriers as a last ditch measure for hospitals that had run out of PPE.

Not only that, but wasn’t the main idea to mitigate (not stop completely) the wearer’s own transmission via larger droplets, as opposed to stopping anything that was small enough to have already traveled from another person, to the wearer?
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Binger wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:14 pm
Be well and be safe.
Thank you. To you and your crew as well.
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:25 pm
I've done lots of reading about masks [...]
I think one of the most interesting little write-ups I've read was on some testing 3M did. It had nothing to do with medical settings or diseases (probably predated COVID by a decade at least), but was about diesel exhaust particulates, and how much different types of face coverings filtered out. One of the things they tested was what was described as a "cloth handkerchief." It was all pretty informal, so it naturally didn't have anything on declining efficacy, or how quickly saturation occurred with each type of mask/covering.

Not really applicable to COVID, as filtering out "some" virions isn't exactly going to do a whole lot with infection, but it's surprising just how many microscopic nooks and crannies for stuff to get stuck to/in are in even the most basic of materials. The cloth handkerchief managed to filter out a surprising amount of even the iddy-biddy micron stuff... well, surprising to me (I think it was like 8-10%).
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That being said, I don't think there's data suggesting that rhinoviruses have ever been the third leading cause of death in the US.
One of the German political parties wants to make a mask mandate this winter for influenza. Do you think people will be able to sue each other for battery because they caught a cold, flu, or COVID from an unmasked individual? And I'm talking about the COVID that now has a 99.97% survival rate for people under 70 yoa.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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