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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:02 pm
This is one hell if a way to get Trump reelected.
That's always a possibility, but you can't let a person get away with murder just because the murderer is uniquely capable of convincing the public that he's the victim.

We need those documents secured, and I hope that the loudest morons on the right don't speak for the average semi-moron on the right. But if so, we'll have to cross that bridge the best we can.
Why do you think people on the right vote for Trump, Gad?

Why do you think Trump got more votes than Romney?
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Binger wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:42 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:02 pm


That's always a possibility, but you can't let a person get away with murder just because the murderer is uniquely capable of convincing the public that he's the victim.

We need those documents secured, and I hope that the loudest morons on the right don't speak for the average semi-moron on the right. But if so, we'll have to cross that bridge the best we can.
Why do you think people on the right vote for Trump, Gad?

Why do you think Trump got more votes than Romney?

Because they ran against different opponents, in two entirely different elections?

It’s probably a good thing that you don’t vote, given your awareness (or lack) of such things.
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Binger wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:42 pm
Why do you think people on the right vote for Trump, Gad?

Why do you think Trump got more votes than Romney?

Great questions, though no one really believes you're interested in discussing them.

There is no single reason why people vote for Trump, but from what I've gathered speaking to various Trump supporters they do so for one or more of the following reasons:

1. "But Hillary...but Biden..." Millions have been conditioned to hate Democrats so much that they'd vote for a slice of cheese if it had an (R) after it.
2. Trump made racism great again, and all the closet racists started crawling out of the woodworks thinking that for the first time in their lives they have someone looking out for them and their racist fear of immigrants. This isn't just speculation it is a fact proven by the fact that Trump was a nobody for years until his racist anti-Mexican speech caused his number to skyrocket.
3. In the first election there were some who thought it would be a good idea to have a non-politician disrupt Washington like a bull in a China shop. I think those are the folks who didn't vote for him in 2020 because they realized they got more than they bargained for.


In 2012 Romney got 47.2% of the votes while Trump got 41.1% in 2016. In 2020 Trump only got 46.7% of the vote. Romney probably would have beaten Biden in 2020, and I wouldn't feel bad about it because at least Romney believes his own BS and has a sense of duty.
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Why do you think people on the right vote for Trump, Gad?
I've made my case for this before. Very few will agree with me or even get where I'm coming from, I understand this.

The single most important event in Trump's rise in my opinion was Vince McMahon of the WWE turning heel

Why is this a big deal?

The Trump crowd if not identical to the WWE (WWF in the day) crowd is frighteningly similar, from the "regular guy" who liked monster trucks to Christian ministers who loved wrestling as a "guilty pleasure". And the very WWF drama itself was a precursor to American politics as it is today.

The WWE changed significantly in response to crowd tastes, from loving Hulk Hogan who said his prayers and ate his vitamins and played clean, to loving the dirtbags with no manners who cheated. In short, American preferences were turning to negative heroes. Shortly thereafter, television took a similar turn, where the lines between good guys and bad guys blurred, and the heroes are often no better than the villains; from the Wire, to Battlestar, the Shield, and Breaking Bad.

Remember the great matches between Hacksaw JIm Duggan and Boris Zhukov? Everyone shouted "USA" while booing the Russian fighter who (I think it was him) insisted on singing the Russian national anthem prior to the fight while the audience booed? Wrestling, like TV, was largely made up of these simple binaries up through the 80s. Ronald Reagan was the "Hulk Hogan" of American politics, in terms of persona. These binaries have undergone extensive deconstruction since then. Even in Mormonism, literary theorist Grant Hardy picked up on these trends when he wrote The Reader's Guide in 2010, and Moroni is billed guilty of war crimes and temper problems, yet he's the big hero. "Dark MAGA" = "Dark Moroni".

In my head, I can see Trump's persona as a popular bad-guy manager to heel wrestlers back in the 80s, and Vince McMahon's persona taking over for Trump today as president. The mannerisms, gimmicks, even the way they talk in that "bad guy" voice is basically the same thing. Jesse the Body had a big role also as a commentator; the way he rooted for the bad guys predicts the apologetics for Trump today. I believe it was Jake the Snake fighting Honkey Tonk Man, HTM cheated but Jake blocked the attempt and beat HTM with his own guitar. Jesse went nuts, lamenting the destruction of such a fine instrument. It's the exact same contrarian-style defenses of Trump that makes him a victim every time he cheats and gets handed.

This is why people vote for Trump, because Trump most closely approximates a negative hero from the world of WWE/WWF during its deconstructive period between the mid 80s and 00s.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:12 pm
This is why people vote for Trump, because Trump most closely approximates a negative hero from the world of WWE/WWF during its deconstructive period between the mid 80s and 00s.

I thought that they did it because they love being sold substandard meat products, buying cheap Trump tchotchkes manufactured in China, and getting ripped off with sham ‘university degrees’.

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It's a good suggestion, Canpakes, recall, Fox hosted WWF and the commercials were along those lines. For instance, the Franklin Mint, which today sells Trump coins that will be priceless in the future, was selling civil war chess sets. Prophetic, eh?
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canpakes wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:22 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:12 pm
This is why people vote for Trump, because Trump most closely approximates a negative hero from the world of WWE/WWF during its deconstructive period between the mid 80s and 00s.

I thought that they did it because they love being sold substandard meat products, buying cheap Trump tchotchkes manufactured in China, and getting ripped off with sham ‘university degrees’.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Speaking of which:

Pro-MAGA Clothing Company Fined for 'Phony Made in USA Labels'

https://people.com/human-interest/pro- ... -says-ftc/

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How about you, Binger?
Binger wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:42 pm
Why do you think people on the right vote for Trump ..?


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This will be good, I’m sure.
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:00 am
Speaking of which:

Pro-MAGA Clothing Company Fined for 'Phony Made in USA Labels'

https://people.com/human-interest/pro- ... -says-ftc/
Just like their leader, with his ‘Trump’ branded crap made in foreign countries.

Grifters from the top down. ‘America First’, my ass.
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canpakes wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:58 pm
Binger wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:42 pm


Why do you think people on the right vote for Trump, Gad?

Why do you think Trump got more votes than Romney?

Because they ran against different opponents, in two entirely different elections?

It’s probably a good thing that you don’t vote, given your awareness (or lack) of such things.
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